Posted: Apr 18, 2018 8:34 pm
by Thommo
Chris Putnam wrote:I just find the power to control people over ideologies like this is a powerful tool in the hands of unscrupulous persons.

It is, that's exactly why creationism, flat Earth, pi=4, and so on should not be taught in schools. They are ideologies driven by unscrupulous persons with no scientific or empirical merit.

To be taught in school (as science) that criteria takes out the leverage of unscrupulous persons.

Chris Putnam wrote:As I said earlier the fundamentalist is going to use his or her reason and conclude they are right and complain about he other side.

They aren't though. There are no scientific reasons to teach creationism.

And let them complain. It's a free society, let's support their right to believe what they want and to say what they want.

Chris Putnam wrote:I heard a quote from a news agency (please don't ask me to verify this. I heard it on the radio last year, so take in for what it is worth) that even in the UK there is strong belief in some form of creation, and the results of the survey where very disappointing to the scientific community.

It depends what you mean, it probably polls somewhere in the sub 20% area. But ignorance among the public isn't a reason to actually teach people to be ignorant.

Chris Putnam wrote: In the US the percentage it is no doubt higher. Scientist have a viewpoint and so do the common rank and file public. They don't always influence each other.

Again, that's fine. But schools are institutes of education and learning, it's still zero reason for teaching things that are untrue.

The things taught in science classes are the things that science has concluded. Most people prefer scaly dinosaurs to feathered ones. Lots of people want Pluto to be a planet. Too bad.