Posted: Nov 13, 2014 12:06 pm
by Sendraks
Thommo wrote:It is clearly nonsense to suggest that death is inherently preferable to life, so I repeat that without defining what is meant by "suffering" (which is not as obvious as some may assume) this whole discussion is futile.


I concur. In fact earlier in this thread, where claims were made by TMB about suffering, I did ask if he had any sort of empirical measure of what constituted more suffering. Given that suffering is a highly individual experience and far more complex that a crude measure of "pain tolerance" it is not worthwhile pursuing in this debate as a measure of "who has it worst".

In the context of life vs death, all that can be said is that the living can experience suffering. The dead cannot.

It would also be incorrect for anyone to conclude that "those who suffer most" are the ones who commit suicide. There is no metric to support this. There are, however, a whole host of factors at play as to whether one individual might commit suicide over another and also account for the differences between male and female rates, which Fallible has already briefly touched on these.