Posted: Nov 18, 2014 4:17 pm
by Sendraks
tolman wrote:
She is saying that she thinks some women may be able to meet the standards.


Clearly she is saying some women. I doubt anyone here is operating under the delusion that this applies to "all" women, anymore than meeting the IFC requirements applies to "all" men either.

tolman wrote:Isn't the whole point of feminism (in the sense of egalitarianism) that women (or people in general) shouldn't be assessed as members of a group but as individuals?

Yes I agree and that is consistent with what I recognise (from a policy professional perspective) equality policy to be about.

tolman wrote:As far as discrimination at the level of selection for a role is concerned, it shouldn't matter to feminists whether women are not equal in numbers with men in a particular role if selection criteria are fairly applied and are not specifically chosen to unreasonably exclude women.

Again I agree. I don't believe the article gives the impression that anyone thinks the IFC criteria unreasonably exclude woman. The issue being raised that woman are not trained, through the earlier military careers, in such a way that would build the necessary physical fitness to pass the bar set for entry the IFC. Of course we've no way of knowing that is true until such time as a suitable sample size of women have gone through whatever the necessary levels of training are in there earlier careers, to see whether they can pass the bar or not.

tolman wrote:One of the issues with some approaches to feminism is that some people view 'discrimination' as essentially a default explanation for any imbalances, (or, at least, any imbalances they consider undesirable) with proof to the contrary being required for them to think otherwise, even when proof to the contrary is essentially impossible to provide given the multitude of possible factors.

And I would agree that in the requirements for entry to the IFC are not "discriminatory." The are necessary to meet the requirements of the military.

It is being suggested that there may be discrimination in military training prior to that point which disadvantages women in being optimally trained for undergoing selection for the IFC. This may be one of those scenarios where woman (in the military) are not treated different from men and consequently this actually puts them at a disadvantage later on if they want to apply for things like the IFC, because they need a harder training regimen.