Posted: Nov 19, 2014 2:14 pm
by Sendraks
Nicko wrote:So she was pretty much in the same boat as the male applicants to the IFC: kept in the dark as to the particulars of the course, knowing only that she needed to be pretty fucking awesome to pass and that it was up to her (just as it was up to a male applicant) to become fucking awesome on her own time.


I think her suggestion is that the training women receive, in the course of their daily duties, places them at a marked disadvantage compared to men who receive more rigorous training. Clearly there is still a degree of additional effort required on the part of potential male applicants, but the additional effort for women is much greater because of the shortfall in their training.

I guess that the amount of additional training she felt was required would've impacted on her ability to perform her own duties. Which is understandable. I'm not entirely sure how she's circumventing that problem for the purposes of retaking the test. And indeed if she isn't circumventing any sort of problem, because there isn't one, then I'm not sure what the problem is.

Nicko wrote:To reiterate though: it is not clear to me that there were any actual barriers placed between Santangelo and the training she clearly required to raise herself to the required standard. If the only barrier that exists is that no one actually told her she could start running (etc.) with the guys, then she hasn't got a leg to stand on. If, on the other hand, it's actually forbidden for a female Marine to train with higher-performing male Marines then I think she's got a point.


I agree, it is not clear.
As you say, if she's just not bothered to enquire as to whether she could train with the guys, well there isn't an issue.
If she was discouraged (actively or indirectly_ or forbidden from pursuing such training, then clearly there is an issue.
However, I didn't get the impression from the article that she was pursuing this matter as some sort of discrimination claim, just that she felt the issue was resolvable in same way by a simple enough change of military training practices.