Posted: Aug 16, 2015 1:52 am
by proudfootz
Oldskeptic wrote:
proudfootz wrote:
Oldskeptic wrote:
proudfootz wrote:

In case you haven't been keeping up, black Americans are being discriminated against, harassed, assaulted, and killed.

Any evidence that poor inclusive "white" people aren't experiencing the same treatment or "mistreatment?" Of course not because it isn't really a color problem it's a social class problem.

Of course you do, I mean you have six copy and paste internet articles to prove how right you are, what more could anyone ask from you?

Yes, people who have studied the problem have discovered race is the problem. Random internet guy Oldskeptic says it isn't.

Which of those six articles do you think demonstrates genocide? Which one has uncovered deliberate, systematic, or institutionalized killing of a large portion of a population? Which article shows or has uncovered a final solution? A systematic or institutional plan to wipe out a whole population?

That's what I was responding to. Your accusation that genocide is going on aimed at a final solution. You can redefine "genocide" if you like, to mean whatever fits your argument, but how do you do that with "a final solution to the problem"? And combining "genocide" in the same sentence with "a final solution to the problem" leaves very little room for a redefinition of either term.

How are small examples of disparities in housing, medical care, job placement, arrests, and police shootings genocide aimed at a final solution? They're not. They're examples of discrimination that needs to end. They are examples of lingering racism and discrimination, not genocide or a goal towards a final solution or even wide spread entrenched racism.

Measurable racism in every sphere of life isn't 'wide spread entrenched racism'? And somehow these are 'small' disparities? We'll have to agree to disagree on that.

Widespread racial discrimination that ends up killing ethnic minorities may not fit your definition of 'genocide', but people whose lives are at stake might be a little more perceptive to this topic than someone who isn't targeted by such racism, whose life or livelihood on the line.

Proudfotz wrote:
Oldskeptic wrote:
So the idea that talking about this fact of life is what is 'pitting Black against White' is ludicrous.

Except that it isn't. The conflicts of racial relations today aren't driven by "whites." They are driven by black activists ready to pick the corpse of anyone that falls. And it's in their interest to keep "The Black Problem" alive.

Complete and utter bullshit, as the articles from many respected sources indicate.

No it's not. Not when black activists descend on the corpse of any black killed like blowflies and preach hate while hypocritically calling for calm.

Yes, if it wasn't for people protesting racists killing ethnic minorities, the racist would just stop on their own. [/sarcasm]

It's absurd you're trying to blame the persistence of racism in police departments, law courts, prisons, etc on the victims.

Proudfootz wrote:
Oldskeptic wrote:
So, yeah - let's just ignore this problem and it will go away. Meanwhile my ignoring your trolling is important. For reasons.

What problem would that be, and where did I troll this thread or forum cite?

Duh. Racism in the United States - You keep asking the same idiotic question as if it hasn't been answered already and implicit in the discussion that was ongoing before you started to play dumb.

So now we're talking about racism and not genocide and a final solution? When did I say that racism didn't exist anywhere? If I dispute that there is genocide going on with a goal towards a final solution that means that I am denying that there is racism?

Proudfootz wrote:
Oldskeptic wrote: It's understandable if you have no response of any significance.

Yeah, right. Your ignoring responsible journalism, academic studies, and scientific inquiry isn't 'significant' enough for you.

I'm not interested in trying to hold a conversation with one of Limbaugh's dittoheads, which is why I didn't respond to your trolling earlier.

What makes me a dittohead? Is everyone that disagrees with your over the top assertions and thoughtless statements a dittohead?

Not all of them. :thumbup:

But is extremely bizarre to encounter someone who thinks activists who combat racism are the real cause of racial tension.

Proudfootz wrote:
Oldskeptic wrote: If so you should say so, but declaring me a troll doesn't cut it.

It's your posts which appear to be troll like - ignoring answers to your questions and pretending your uninformed opinion is more important than responsible journalism, academic studies, and scientific investigation.

Where did I say that responsible journalism, academic studies, and scientific investigation aren't important?

You didn't say they weren't. You just counted the number of links I provided (since I know you'll demand links) and apparently didn't read them as you had zero rational response to them.

If you say that there is discrimination in housing based on one of your articles and something should be done about it, I'm right there with you, but not on board that this is evidence for genocide with a goal towards a final solution.

If you say that medical care might be unequal and cite articles and studies, I say that should be looked into and if that's true then a solution should be looked for.

If you say that a larger percentage of minorities are shot by police and you have articles and studies that support this then I say we should do something about that.

Taking a position against your unfounded and unsupportable hyperbole is not trolling and does make me a racist dittohead.

I didn't mean to style you a 'racist dittohead'.

It's just that blaming ethnic minorities for racism reads to me exactly like the sort of victim-blaming I expect from folks like Rush Limbaugh.