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The_Metatron wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:

The_Metatron wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:...

Yours.
You repeatedly claim humans almost always act on their sexual attraction, as it they only operate on instinct and try to have sex with everyone who they're attracted to.

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Prove this.

You fucking show where I said any of that highlighted bit and I'll resign from the forum.

Fail to prove it, and you do the same. I fuckin' dare you.

Put your fucking money where your mouth is.

First of all I've no interest in your schoolyard challenge. Especially since it's yet another example of you trying to avoid adressing my actualy points and arguments.

Yeah, that's what I fuckin' thought.

Thomas Eshuis wrote:Secondly I've already repeatedly demonstrated that your line of reasoning not only implies this, but that at several points you've outright stated it.
Each time I did, you either snipped that part of my post, or blindly declared, without clarification, that it was not what you were saying.
And I'm not the only one, multiple people have pointed out that your argument hinges on the claim that people act on their sexual attraction most times, ie that they try to have sex with most people they're attracted to, regardless of consent.

Once again:
The first time you hint at this is with this more broad assertion:

The_Metatron wrote:This topic wouldn't even fucking exist except for the plain truth that people tend to act on their fantasies.

Here SAM points it out as well:

SafeAsMilk wrote:Yeah, no shit people do act on their fantasies. Also, just as obviously, many people don't. Your attempts to judge (and assertion you'd murder) people based on your assumption is very hypocritical. Cuz murder is an action, y'know. One you say you're more than willing to go out and do, not just fantasize about.

Here you again assert through comparison with the sex drive of non-paedophiles, that paedophiles are virtually guaranteed to act on their sex drive:

The_Metatron wrote:Now, are you going to tell us that a pedophile's sexual attraction to children is any less imperative than yours? Or mine?

I doubt that it is, actually. In the same light that I have no doubt that homosexuals are as attracted to their own sex as I am to the opposite. With the same force.

Bearing that in mind, I see no reasonable expectation that pedophiles will not act on that drive. Just like you and I act on ours.

I already pointed out to you that as far as I am concerned and most people I know, that's bullshit.

And here Fallible makes the same point:

Fallible wrote:

The_Metatron wrote:Bearing that in mind, I see no reasonable expectation that pedophiles will not act on that drive. Just like you and I act on ours.

This is such bollocks. For a start, there are any number of people who can't get a girlfriend or lack confidence, or who have certain convictions/beliefs, are celibate, or are in a relationship where the other party doesn't want sex, or are perhaps just incredibly picky, meaning that they live their lives without sex, despite having a definite sexual orientation. There are also those who are gay, but who for whatever reason don't feel comfortable with that, and who therefore have sex with members of the opposite sex instead. The vast majority of them don't go and rape somebody.

So you see, it's not just something I've invented out of thin air or a misrepresentation on my part. It's genuinly you either failing to clearly state your actual position or now trying to deny what you actually posted.

But let's continue: here you assert that people rarely do not act on their attraction:

The_Metatron wrote:Are you serious? Are you telling me that they won't? The existence of the species is pretty fucking solid evidence that yes, heterosexuals tend to act on their sexual attractions, don't they? Here we are.

Here you assert maany paedophiles won't be able to control their sexual behaviour, because most humans can't:

The_Metatron wrote:There is little doubt that pedophiles exist who are able to control their urges. What I think you and Thomas don't want to face is the idea that many of them, or perhaps even most of them, will eventually fail in that endeavor. I base that estimate on the power that the drive for sex has on human behavior.

Here you again insinuate people cannot control their sex drive, by appealing to the failure of abstinence education.

The_Metatron wrote:Yeah. It's controllable, sex drive. Sure.

I have two words for that controllability on which you depend: abstinence education.

Now go ahead, ignore it, blindly dismiss it out of hand or play incredibly transparent and disengenuous semantic games.
It will only serve to demonstrate you're not interested in an honest discussion.

What you were seeking and could not produce, was anything I wrote that said that people "operate on instinct and try to have sex with everyone who they're attracted to".

I will take this one last opportunity to help you understand. I am going to replace the drive for sex with something else in the quotes of mine above:

This topic wouldn't even fucking exist except for the plain truth that people tend to act on their hunger.

Bearing that in mind, I see no reasonable expectation that pedophiles will not act on hunger. Just like you and I act on ours.

Are you serious? Are you telling me that they won't? The existence of the species is pretty fucking solid evidence that yes, heterosexuals tend to act on their hunger, don't they? Here we are.

Do you get the point, yet? None of that in any way says or implies that anyone, anywhere is going to eat everything they see.

I'm not going to repeat this: you either produce the quotes of me writing those things, or drop it. I don't have to tolerate such misrepresentation. Those words are your inferences. Accept that, and this ends.