Posted: Apr 17, 2018 3:06 pm
by Macdoc
Fine. Who's going to put in the necessary work, and who's going to pay for it?

I don't give much of a fuck if you have a conceptual definition of sustainable. Haven't you heard about "Tragedy of the Commons"?

This is the main problem with moralism. Simply knowing the right thing to do is not enough.

so you'd rather sit on your hands and wail. :roll: There are lots of people moving towards sustainable in dozens of fields ....why not join them instead of shitting on the idea . :nono:

or at the very least inform yourself. ... nable-food ... ex-eng.htm
fish ... e-forestry
silva culture

coffee....just one of thousands of initiatives

Recently the impact of coffee growing on the environment has been much debated in the specialty-coffee industry, with labels such as Song Bird Coffee and Sanctuary Coffees surfacing in the market. The movement shows promise for one simple, market-driven reason: it asserts that people can have their coffee just the way they like it and also save the rain forest. Indeed, some believe that Americans' growing taste for fine coffee could help to reverse an agricultural fiasco that has turned one of the world's most benign crops into an enemy of the environment. "All we have to do is get just a small fraction of North Americans and Europeans to demand shade-grown coffee, and we can push the industry back and save tremendous amounts of habitat," says Chris Wille, the ECO-O.K. director for the Rainforest Alliance. "And no one has to sacrifice anything." ... st/377733/

How Brazil Has Dramatically Reduced Tropical Deforestation - The ... ... ropical-...
For decades, the issue of deforestation had been seen in Brazil in terms of national sovereignty—as something raised by foreign NGOs pressuring to save Amazon forests even at the cost of Brazilians' right to economic development. It was often pointed out that those concerned with “saving the rainforest” came from ... ... restation/

The drop in rain forest destruction in Brazil astonished me

Carbon offsets ...

and reduction in coal for power....

Ontario - one of the larger economies on the planet eliminated coal from 25% to zero in a decade.

Britain has dropped dramatically near to zero ....

China hit peak coal far ahead of schedule and globally

Coal hits a plateau - Financial Times ... 2067fbf946
Sep 19, 2017 - Latest projections suggest that global consumption has reached its peak. ... The EIA thinks coal consumption in China may now have peaked, as industrial demand for steelmaking and heat declines from now on, and after 2023 demand for power generation is increasingly displaced by renewables and ..

Has China Hit Peak Coal? – Brink – The Edge of Risk
Mar 18, 2018 - China's coal consumption has steadily decreased by a few percentage points every year since 2013, prompting our pronouncement of a coal consumption peak in an article published in the summer of 2016 in Nature Geoscience. This declaration was echoed quickly by the former minister of the National Energy

who pays ? we do. :roll: :coffee: