Posted: Sep 04, 2019 4:54 pm
by Spearthrower
Blackadder wrote:
felltoearth wrote:
I didn’t see it as a generalization but a comment about how open discussion about Islam often provides an entry and sometimes cover for bigoted statements about “backwards” people, to give one example. We’ve all seen it get worse than that.


Agreed. But the answer is not to ban "open discussion" about Islam, which seems to be a common reaction at the Guardian newspaper and one which is becoming more prevalent in places like university campuses, from what I can gather. I agree that the "free speech" card is played quite cynically by right wing bigots. But I see plenty of left wing bigotry in the Guardian columns too, which is what leads me to suspect many of their writers of base hypocricy ,viz: "free speech means protecting only views that I agree with."



I agree insomuch as there are 2 extreme positions on such topics, and indeed, I think they extremify (?) each other, forcing each other iteratively to ever less logical and ever more extreme positions. When you write something that contains no intent to slander, nor to justify, only to explain and unpack ideas and both sides of that spectrum call you names or get riled up... it seems to me that could well be a litmus test indicating you're quite possibly in just about the right place.