Posted: Jul 20, 2011 4:14 pm
by Shiv
cavarka9 wrote:

Well, this is the problem with religious people, they cannot stop their urge to take credit.


Why not? Especially when it's due? Instead of completely erasing all of atheistic thought, Hindu*ism* still preserved them because they had a lot of questions that will recur in every thinking individual. It did not *ban or issue fatwa* against *heretic* atheist thought and questions. Why?

cavarka9 wrote:

Firstly, What did andy say?. He said that agnosticism seems to not conflict with hinduism, which is true not just with hinduism, it is true with every religion in the world and as we are here talking about hinduism, it is particularly true here as well.


What makes you think that agnosticism is a modern concept that suddenly seems to have no problem with any religion? If it was a thought, why could it not have been thought of already?

cavarka9 wrote:

We do not know whether madhavacharya was vidyaranya or not, we do not even have much evidence for vidyaranya,


The peetham for which he was the head carries continuous records of all activities and related people, its own and other sister peethams too. So do those other sister peethams and their evidences correlate each other. Contradictory evidences not available, therefore I accept them to be true. Those records state that Sri Vidyaranya Tirtha (Tirtha being one of the titles of the Dasanami orders) was known as Madhava during his period of Brahmacharya.

cavarka9 wrote:

As far as the ascending and descending goes, these are merely interpretations, the author does not explicitly claims so(no such evidence is put forward).


The evidence is in how each system is handled. The author uses the succeeding school of thought to question the current one and carries on doing this. It is obviously to establish the supremacy of his own lineage of Advaita, but when you read and understand the text, you will find that not only many of the questions atheists are asking now, but also questions that will simply stump you, along with their answers!

cavarka9 wrote:

As far as why people are still religious inspite of having many atheists in India, the answer is pretty simple. Power has always been in religious peoples hands. If there are more atheists today, it is because we can explain much more today without god butting in or being bought into discussion than we ever before. Not to mention, technology. So yes, these people did exist. Why they lost out is also pretty obvious dont you think?.


That is a very cheerful assumption that many atheists like to make, unfortunately not true in an Indian context, although it is probably true in the case of European atheism. Why could *atheism* not have been refuted through clear and proper arguments that are also logical and reasonable? Why couldn't there be a school that asked questions that any *atheistic* school could not answer?

E.g. Buddhism, which was so powerful for a few centuries was completely pushed off. How? Why?

And even assuming that advaita and sankhya and other schools were so popular or powerful as you say, none of them uphold idol worship and rituals. Why then do we find 1000s and 1000s of temples in our country. Why are people so superstitious?

It is so not obvious. Please do explain it to me.