Posted: Mar 30, 2012 8:44 pm
HomerJay wrote:Zwaarddijk wrote:
There is none, it's the exact same kind of deception. Muhammed was not doing anything innovative at all, he was doing exactly what the evangelists did with that story.
Nope, in the christian version there is no direct instruction from the earlier prophets, which there is in the islamic version, that's the point, the whole difference.
Mo could say that the jews were going against an instruction from their own prophet, the christians can't.
Yet that's exactly one reason hundreds of thousands of Jews have been killed by Christians.
I'm not saying christianity hasn't appropriated judaism, just that they've done it differently.
No, they've done exactly that. If you read enough Christian material, you'll find such a claim regarding Judaism repeatedly - that they have rejected Jesus in violation of their own prophets.
And as far as "going against an instruction", how about:
"Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers [did], so [do] ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:"
Jesus is also making the point that believing what he says is an instruction from the prophets of the old:
"And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." (in an allegory, to be sure, but the point he is making if someone did believe in Moses and the prophets, he'd accept Jesus' teachings as valid). Even more explicitly there is:
"And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me."
In John, some pretty explicit things doing exactly what you say Christianity did not come up with:
"Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?"