Posted: Jul 15, 2015 1:45 pm
by Peter Brown
Sendraks wrote:
Peter Brown wrote:my logic once more

If your logic amounts to "people shouldn't hide behind religion as an excuse to commit crimes" then you'll find no argument from us. This is a perfectly rational statement.

good, its was my view on Islam before this stupid yes no question had me take one more step to answer it

The problem emerges when you make the claim that a) all mosques are involved in criminal activity or b) that all muslims support that activity. Neither a) and b) are evidenced in anyway as being true.

The problem is there are just too many things in the Qur'an that are criminal now, let alone the Hadith

Peter Brown wrote:Why do some Muslims not follow the Qur'an as writen?

Many muslims do not follow the Qu'ran as written, because it is hugely open to interpretation.

Even teaching that implementing Sharia (Allah and the messenger’s laws) is the goal of Allah and the messenger is preaching the overthrowing of basic democracy in some form. In England we had the war that ended up with the principle of Magna Charta, nobody is above the laws of the land.

Now I might not always agree with individual laws, but I do agree that even with its faults, the principle of everyone being equal before the law is good place to start and that we can vote and improve (or regress the laws) is dynamic but mostly good for civilisation.

My contention is, and I’m sure you 100% agree again, Sharia is anti democratic, it is theocracy, it is whatever the Qur’an tells you Sharia is. They had the war on who decides what was Sharia or not 1300 to 1200 years ago, the priest won. Religion is greater than secularism in Islam. Only time it hasn’t been was when new secular Caliphs stamped down on the constant infighting of Muslims, but even secular Caliphs die and what I cheekily call born again Muslims bring back good ol’ Muhammad the Arab values as read from the Qur’an.

Now in a Muslim country they can vote in Sharia, vote once and lose that vote to change forever more. Only was to get rid of Sharia is a bloody revolution to impose secular values.

And I got to ask can a Muslim really be a Muslim if the do not follow what Allah and the messengers instructions on how to be a Muslim?

Many muslims do not follow the Qu'ran as written, for the same reasons as many Christians do not follow the bible as written.

and I say it is more because they are forbiden to by non Muslim rules to follow the Quran, and bloody good thing too.
You need to go to a Muslim nation to see how Sharia in action, Sharia unchained or in chains

It is the same with Jews not killing disobedient children, they wisely fear going to prison if they do. But there must be more to it than just that, there is Israel after all and all of Moses laws could be in force in Israel surely?

Well there must have been a change of opinion, not just in the Jews but the people who minister Jews, the rabbi. I know some rules are impossible now to follow, the Jews have no Holy of Holy so they can’t sacrifice goats or even a pigeon, they have no High priest anymore so they no longer have the magic words to used gods telephone. The Romans did one hell of a job on the religion when the Jews rebelled against the Empire, and the Christian Emperor Justinina did one hell of a job on them and the Samaritan too decades later.

Being a Jew now must be like being a Druid? Like what do druids do? Dunno Ken, let’s make it up as we go along at Stonehenge

As for Christian, whatever, they were forced not to be Christians too if you want a simple reason. Unless you are living in America????