Posted: Jan 25, 2018 11:38 am
by quas
Cito di Pense wrote:Well, if some people stay and some people leave, that suggests the issues are personal ones. You could certainly say that some people treat Islam as more than a religion, but other religions have rules about food and clothing, too. For the people who observe the dietary rules and dress code, it's undetermined whether they do it because they think they might be worrying god, or whether they are just concerned about worrying their fellow congregants. If your ambition is to make grand generalisations, try physics.

It's true that Islam has attracted rule-makers that like to make lots and lots of rules. This tends to snowball by attracting people with religious fetishes and OCD at the same time. This is not unheard of in other religions, either.

I don't dispute that at all.
It's just that... to say that Islam is a super-immersive religion is to say that it's a religion, albeit a super-immersive one.
And, I've already said it's so much more than a religion and so unlike any other religion, that it's not religion.
So guess again!

That's a quintessentially personal issue involving how one responds to social pressure. This is the story of someone who attempted to integrate, and not of someone who attempted to escape.

She didn't join Islam so she could "integrate". It's not like she is a CIA or KGB agent sent into foreign soil, and tasked to assimilate, soaked up the local culture as much as possible, blend in... so she could be a more effective undercover intelligence operative. (She is Canadian, and there's no CIA or KGB there, guys!)

She is just a tourist backpacker who visited Indonistan, decided to stay because she liked the local people, encountered Islam (because the locals were mostly Muslims), joined out of curiosity and got sucked in. Which also happened to be the perfect cover story for a CIA operative sent to infiltrate the South East Asian branch of Al Qaeda, Jemaah Islamiyah, which happened to have an active base in Indonistan. Having said that, now that she has outed herself, compromising her cover, I guess she must have failed her secret mission, and we are to believe that she is just this planet's most boring private citizen this whole time. Anyway, all I'm trying to say is, because she didn't try to integrate/assimilate into the local culture vis-a-vis Islam (being the incompetent secret agent that she is/was), she never joined Islam the right way. Which is, to not treat it as a religion in the first place. And that's why she was able to get out from the clutches of Islam.

Try to find the anecdote of someone who finds being immersed in Islamic culture impossible to overcome. That should be easy for you.

Can't speak from personal experience, since I was never recruited by the CIA.