Posted: Jan 28, 2018 11:12 am
Thommo wrote:All religions are entirely made up. They can be nothing other than transmission of cultural values, modes of dress, practices and other forms of tribalism (although, let's be clear, Islam has a number of very different tribes). None of these things have anything to do with whether something is or isn't a a religion.
But who would made up grievance narrative? Who would possibly do that? Aside from hate groups. Which is why I've been saying that Islam is not a religion and more like a hate group. And it's a very organised hate group, made possible by the pre-existing religious network they already have and the internet and social media network.
If Christianity today was to model itself after Islam, you'd have Christians using their religious network, spreading hate propaganda from church to church, and every single priest/pastor in every single sermon would be preaching against the evils of the non-Christians. Which would be videoed, uploaded to social media, shared and liked by all Christians. Church membership would rise internationally because people would be united by a shared sense of identity (tribalism) feeling that they are constantly under threat from a common enemy that has conspired all global forces against them.
But that's impossible because Christianity isn't that organised. They don't have a local fatwa body that could effectively unite members to kill a single infidel.
For whatever reason what you're actually doing is making a claim about Muslims that seems to me to be, in parts, grossly unrepresentative and saying nothing about Islam. Clearly you don't like the Muslims you're dealing with and and feel they comport themselves badly and you see a connection between their behaviour and their religion. Now, I cannot possibly evaluate your story, because it's just a personal anecdote including details like you being a CIA agent who was never recruited by the CIA.
So as far as it goes all I can say is that it doesn't fit all that well with the facts and data I'm familiar with, except to the extent that right now I'm having a conversation with you, who is relating gossip from halfway across the globe about how some random person who happened to be Muslim posted something you don't like to facebook and it makes you quite cross. The similarity between that and the behaviour you're criticisng is striking.
What I'm telling you is already well-known to those who live in Indonistan or any other Muslim-majority countries.
Here's some supporting news story for you to read:
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/news- ... ake%20news
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/news- ... =indonesia
What happened in Indonistan since the last election have demonstrated how Islam have evolved from religion into socio-political movement.
You said Islam has many tribes? Whatever these tribes are, they can always unite when they want to gang up and fuck up an infidel, and then disperse afterwards, go their own ways, until they find another infidel to gang up on. Which is what happened in Indonistan's previous election. Even the Hizb ut-Tahrir who is anti-democracy would set aside their differences all because they can't pass up the opportunity to fuck up an infidel. http://www.rationalskepticism.org/islam ... l#p2611483