Posted: Apr 04, 2017 9:05 pm
zulumoose wrote:Dark energy wrote:
the air we breath,the water we drink,the space we occupy,the health we have,isnt ours,it was given to us,the easiest way to repay that favor is to recognize the one who made these essential things for us or one is reduced to ungrateful status.
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it is only in my 30s ,that i have done those reseach.atheism never occured to me,because it goes against my search for truth ,no god no or little morality,stealing,lying,etc and assigning the complex evolution of the universe by some atheists to mere chance is insane in my book.
I don't see how a god would think you can "repay the favor" by recognizing something for which there is no evidence, why would a god care if you believe in him? He is the one who either left sufficient clues to detect him or did not.
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If you think "chance" is how the universe developed, your understanding of the basic concepts needs a bit of work. There is a very good youtube clip of Richard Dawkins demonstrating to school groups an concept of evolution he calls "Climbing Mount Improbable", it is very easy to understand and gets an important concept across very well. I recommend you have a look, it will enable you to see how an atheist can be comfortable with the "chance" concept that makes you uncomfortable. You should probably also look for some videos on the Christian trinity concept, if others are comfortable then you must concede that you do not have the same perspective as them, and might find it interesting how they view it.
Excellent post Zulumoose, all I would add is that where religion is 'seen' to be on the side of history, is when they can influence it. Thus the fundamentalist ascendancy in the Islamic world with it's rejection of open-mindedness and science actually dates to the Mongol invasion of their lands. The price of interpreting that event in a religious light has been failure to make progress in 'Islamic' lands for centuries, with the attendant gradual loss of power. Only oil has saved it from obliteration after the first world war, by ensuring collaboration between the west and local despots that used nationalism and islam to control those they 'ruled', this lazy approach is now coming back to bite - but the technological gap is now so wide that there is nothing but oblivion awaiting islam while the christians and Buddists /Taoists fight it out.