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Wortfish wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Just because you haven't verbalised that opinion or judgement, doesn't mean it isn't a proposition.

A proposition is a formal declaration that something is true and can be objectively confirmed or refuted.

Unlike Fall, I was doubting, but this last line of yours demonstrates you're either a really bad troll, or someone who really does not understand how basic logic works.

If you don't show up in court to defend your case, then the other side wins by default.

So, people have shown up. Your claim re god's existence is declared preposterous. Let's see you pony up your evidence. Just saying stuff doesn't make it so.

Ask my daughter about the tooth fairy, she'll tell it exists because every time she puts a tooth under her pillow, it vanishes in the night and is replaced with a shiny coin. The tooth fairy even spotted when she cheated and used one of the dog's teeth. It was gone in the morning and a nice dog biscuit was there in its place. She's got her evidence but she's wrong. It's all fakery and nonsense made up to make losing teeth less traumatic and more fun. The tooth fairy ain't real, her mum has all her old teeth in a little box for some reason I've never understood.

But even if it's bad evidence due to not having all the available data, at least she'd be able to present a reasonably put case. So what's the case for god?

Me, I'm no astro- physicist, hardly capable of understanding latest theories on the big bang but I'm also incapable of understanding how computers work. Computers do work along with pretty much everything that scientific knowledge has produced so I'm happy to trust what those who know things that I don't say.

So far, no claim I've heard of god's work or power to do anything has been reliably shown to be true. Have you got something new Wortfish, or are you yet another who just expects people to disprove the existence of an idea without substance?

Origins of god stories are all based in superstitious people's attempts to understand their world and ascribe meaning to phenomenon such as the weather. Their claims were irrefutable up to them being shown to be wrong. Put that along with the flat earth idea, the global flood, the piss poor understanding of disease, anatomy, animal species, the number of insect legs, etc etc and it don't add up to anything reliable or anything beyond wild guesses becoming "fact" due to powerful people harbouring them and killing people who disagreed.....up until relatively recently in our histories.

Unless you live in ISIS held territory, and a few other strict Muslim states, your beliefs aren't uncritically protected any more and held as "knowledge" or "fact". They are beliefs only. If you want people to accept them as more than just beliefs based on a lack of contrary evidence, then all you have is something on a par with my daughter's belief in the tooth fairy, which gets you a patronising smile but that's about the weight of its worth.

So, that evidence? In your own time.