Posted: Aug 19, 2018 6:17 pm
Fallible wrote:Pretty much the last 3 responses. There's no need to start loading people who say they don't have belief with motives that can only ever be assumed. Contrary to what BWE has said, god is not a claim when discussing belief. If someone tells me they believe in god, they're claiming the belief, not the god.
The truth value there is that the other person has a belief. That is unassailable except possibly in court. It also does not seem to me to be the issue up for discussion. Afaict, the issue is whether you personally believe whatever and the truth value there is your answer. We go around the circle and each give our answers and then discuss how we arrived at those answers. My perspective is that it is more intellectually honest to say the point as a positive statement of disbelief because we are addressing a specific proposition.
As I said, I don't give a shit about what people believe, whether it's a god or not-god. I only care what either theists or atheists who have faith without evidence think they can dictate to me about what I should believe.
I think you should believe in kindness and beauty.
No, Cito, get bent. The irony is, he just accused me of not being able to stay out of his shit privately. He sits there criticising others' 'inner worlds', making all sorts of uncharitable, unfalsifiable noises about them, and accuses others of not staying out of his business. Makes even less sense than his usual bilge. Either his emotions are causing him to behave irrationally or he's trolling again.
Cito is a complicated dude with strong opinions that are usually difficult for me to make sense of. I've found that it helps me understand his point to read his posts in the voice of animal from the muppets. That may not work for you though.