Posted: Oct 08, 2018 9:18 pm
by Hermit
Wortfish wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Wortfish wrote:
BlackBart wrote:
Theists like to say to atheists: "You cannot claim to be an atheist if you treat existence as anything other than meaningless and purposeless which is what a possible universe without a god would be like."

Atheists do not claim that a universe without god is meaningless and purposeless. We just see no evidence of a god, a god, moreover, who hands meaning and purpose down to us from up high.

The meaning you ascribe to the universe and your own lives is subjective and arbitrary as opposed to being objective and definitive. It has no firm foundation. The paradox, however, is that you expect others to conform to your own sense of meaning and purpose, especially when your personal interests and safety are concerned. Many atheists live to have their theist cake.

No, I do not ascribe meaning to the universe or our own lives.
Yes, meaning is subjective rather than objective. It is what we say it is until we say it is something else.
No, we do not expect others to conform to your own sense of purpose. There is none of the type you have in mind.
Yes, we do expect others to conform to our values. In that we don't differ from theists.
Yes, we do have our personal interests and safety in mind. Is that something theists resile from?