Posted: Nov 08, 2018 3:29 pm
Destroyer wrote:GrahamH wrote:Destroyer wrote:gobshite wrote:You said as a counter to newolder:
newolder is explicitly saying that it makes no sense for the same reason that you are. Hence the reductio ad absurdum.
Clearly you have not understood the argument. newolder is not saying that it makes no sense for the same reasons that we were. He is saying that it makes no sense because it amounts to special pleading.
That is part of it, but also newolder seems to think the scenario logically entails regress, which I don't think anyone else here agrees with, do they?
It does have to entail regress if you assume, as newolder does, that the whole argument is nonsensical. He simply refuses to give any credence to any original that is distinct.
I think that was clarified to the fact that within any level of simulation there is no basis rule out the next level up (toward "original") as a simulation. That in no way entails that that next level is a simulation.
You are right that is one rejects any distinction between simulation and simulator worlds, and assume recursion on every level then you create an infinte regress, but the original argument doesn't get you to that, it's newolder's invention.