Posted: Sep 24, 2021 4:08 pm
jamest wrote:Spearthrower wrote:jamest wrote:I've not had the vaccine. Does that mean that I believe that covid is a hoax? No. Does that mean that I believe I am not at risk of serious illness and/or death from covid? No. Does it mean that I believe that the vaccine does not significantly negate the impact of covid? No.
I am however seriously concerned about the medium-term+ effects of repeatedly pumping that stuff into our bodies, for our immune systems, for a virus which ultimately cannot be eradicated.
Does it mean you don't understand how vaccines work or why they're one of humanity's greatest triumphs?
Yes, yes it does.
Well I'm not here claiming to be an expert, but who is?
Well, the immunologists, virologists, and medical health experts. Its rich saying you're not pretending to be an expert, but yet you're ignoring the expert opinion of outright experts and lending credence to flatulent pap you've read from dubious sources.
jamest wrote:What I do know is that typically vaccines have taken several+ years to create and test and that the covid vaccines are
a NEW class of vaccine...
The sentence fails because you claim to 'know' this when it is outright false, and you've clearly heard it from an untrustworthy source which you've somehow not managed to apply equal skepticism to as you have to actually qualified expert knowledge from medical health specialists.
For a start, only two vaccines - Pfizer and Moderna - use mRNA technology: the others are non-replicating viral vector vaccines, the likes of which which have been widely used around the world for 50 years. In fact, even mRNA vaccines studies have been around since the late 70's, but took longer to develop into scaleable technology than viral vector.
So what do you really know, jamest? What is it that you personally know? Where are you getting your information from? Why is your position contrary to the world's medical health authorities? Why shouldn't someone like you be perceived as a nut-job - in your own words - when you clearly don't have the foggiest idea what you're talking about, you're getting your bad information from dubious sources, you're ignoring actual expert knowledge, and you're actively putting yourself at risk? Is there some other definition of nut-job I'm not aware of that isn't someone arrogantly engaged in an act of ignorant self-harm?
jamest wrote:... based upon RNA technology which were created and approved in less than one year.
And still held to the exact same standards across multiple nations around the world. Unless you've got actual evidence that short-cuts were taken?
jamest wrote: I also know...
I haven't even read the sentence yet, but as what you've already claimed to 'know' is manifestly bullshit, this isn't a good place to be waving around said knowledge.
jamest wrote: that there have been a significant amount of adverse reactions to these vaccines,...
Oh really - and are you comparing that to the significance of the adverse reactions people have experienced ABSENT these vaccinations? If 10000 times as many unvaccinated people are hospitalized by symptoms of covid-19 as those who experience adverse reactions to immunization, how exactly are you arriving at such a manifestly stupid argument? Show your working - also, probably best you stop making assertions absent evidence and actually cite something to support your position, else your blatant disregard for fact-based discussion suggests you're operating on feelies rather than reason.
jamest wrote:And I therefore know,...
Third time's the charm?
jamest wrote: given the new classification and void of any data for this class, that NOBODY knows what the medium+-term effects of these vaccines might be.
Yet further indication that you mistake your irrational fears, no doubt sourced through uncritical acceptance of some loony disinformation outlet, for knowledge.
If you want to remain ignorant, feel free to retain your head in your rectum and huff all you like - but stop disseminating ignorant bullshit as if it were reasoned discourse.
jamest wrote:Everybody is just crossing their fingers. It's probably the biggest gamble humanity has ever taken.
You labelled yourself entirely appropriately.