Posted: Mar 17, 2011 10:33 am
AA fights are lively and fast but this being the subforum it is I wonder if anyone has any ideas on how a secular AA type approach could be developed and how it would work to keep guys like me sober.
I would like to point out that the three links, P&T, the orange papers, and AVRT are the same links offered 3 years ago at RDF. The missing link here is this atheist version of AA whose name and link I have forgotten. They have two meetings here in MN and I found one of them to be an AA bitch fests and angry. Something is missing when I go to a meeting and want to either get drunk or get my gun.
SO. The rational approach has yet to find a way off the ground. Yet in my local AA group I find that I am having a great influence on many who formerly claimed to be christian and many who were just afraid to speak up. It's sort of an inside job but I am not happy to leave it there.
I certainly don't want to found anything. I want someone else to do it. I think it's time someone gets of their ass and takes a look at what does work about current programs and distill that into something new. Of course I have a few thousand opinions about what will work. One of those opinions is that statistical research will not be of too much use for the cause. As an addict I can assure you that I am not a statistic and would have no part of any study that tried to make we one. Doing statistics on addicts is like herding cats. The cats that will yield to such technique are not the cats you want to study.
I would like to point out that the three links, P&T, the orange papers, and AVRT are the same links offered 3 years ago at RDF. The missing link here is this atheist version of AA whose name and link I have forgotten. They have two meetings here in MN and I found one of them to be an AA bitch fests and angry. Something is missing when I go to a meeting and want to either get drunk or get my gun.
SO. The rational approach has yet to find a way off the ground. Yet in my local AA group I find that I am having a great influence on many who formerly claimed to be christian and many who were just afraid to speak up. It's sort of an inside job but I am not happy to leave it there.
I certainly don't want to found anything. I want someone else to do it. I think it's time someone gets of their ass and takes a look at what does work about current programs and distill that into something new. Of course I have a few thousand opinions about what will work. One of those opinions is that statistical research will not be of too much use for the cause. As an addict I can assure you that I am not a statistic and would have no part of any study that tried to make we one. Doing statistics on addicts is like herding cats. The cats that will yield to such technique are not the cats you want to study.