Posted: Feb 23, 2012 4:37 pm
by John P. M.
logical bob, I think perhaps the others are trying to say "What actually is/was the case, regardless of opinion".
I suppose this is the same as a fact, though.

But in your ice cream example, there must be a fact about what happened to the ice cream. If the fact is that the ice cream was taken and eaten by the other person, then that fact is dubbed 'true' in parlance, isn't it?