Posted: Apr 14, 2012 12:35 pm
Little Idiot wrote:SpeedOfSound wrote:Little Idiot wrote:
You probably will be damned, but dont worry there are some nice people with books and salvation for sale.
More seriously, I do know, but I didnt put the word 'just' in there. Thats your addition in a pernicious attempt to belittle and undermine the statement - obviously in ignorance as you can know very little about (the specific content of) my knowledge.
You may rightly question the validity of the knowledge, not all things we know are correct, but your attempt here is a sad illustration of an ignorance which is not mine.
I know it like I know lots of other things, because it fits with not one but a series of observations and experiences, both personal subjective experiences in the experienced world and in contemplation, and group observations from a variety of fields of inquiry.
Yes I belittle it. You don't know this. You believe it. You believed it before you started to actually think about it and analyze it.
You assert very poorly.
You have no evidence nor reason to support that assertion (about I believed it before...), and absolutely no way that you can claim to actually have knowledge of what I used to believe.
There is at least some basis for my claim about what I know, believe or used to believe - it's my knowledge and belief after all.
The fact is that I did not believe the world is mental before I began to think about it. Like almost all others, I started off with the unconsidered belief in a mind-independent material world, a naive realist/materialist view.
I moved through a great deal of inquiry, thought and research before I reached the early stages of what has developed into my current position after a couple of decades of life. Another couple of decades of refinement of the primary concepts, and here I am, master of my own little universe.
Not likely that reason came first. I think what is likely is that life put you in touch with that master mentalist of yours and you were driven by life and emotions to seize onto your version of mentalism. Now it has seized your brain in such a way that you make ridiculous assertions like 'you know'. Sure you do buddy.
Like almost all others, I started off with the unconsidered belief in a mind-independent material world, a naive realist/materialist view.
Everyone starts out there and dies there. You still believe in a mind independent world. If you didn't you could not function. We have been over this and you conceded that we are all physicalists many times. What you are doing is adding some additional metaphysical garbage and using nonsense concepts about mind dependence and independence in an additional metaphysical way. This is what gets your juices flowing for some unfathomable reason. Moral predictions I suspect.