Posted: Apr 14, 2012 4:30 pm
by Cito di Pense
GrahamH wrote:(unspecified great purpose assumed)


Don't forget, these are people who are trying to disguise theology as philosophy. The problems they give themselves are all related to constructing the disguise, so that we end up talking about the features of the disguise, rather than about theology. I think they know that all the arguments for the existence of god can be collected and debunked in a rather smallish book.

One can avoid talking theology if one avoids talking about purpose or intention. Jamest failed to do this in his epic fail on agency.

DrWho focuses on the state of objects when we are not 'perceiving' them. If we can 'establish' real objects, that 'exist' independently, then believing in the notion that we can 'establish' things means that we don't have to believe in notions and entities we cannot 'establish', like 'god'. For people like this, 'absense of belief' is not an option, and they will try to get you to admit what it is you 'believe'.