Posted: Nov 04, 2013 8:47 am
Little Idiot wrote:Just pointing out that I am not actually a solipsist. I do not credit me or any other individual mind with being the source of the cosmos, and I really do not think for a second the cosmos will stop without me (nor that a bullet to my head will prove not to be fatal, as Grahamh suggested should be the case in another thread, nor does idealism imply bending spoons by mind power as Cito repeats ad nauseam).
You don't have to claim to create the cosmos on your own in order to recognise that spoon bending (and furiously-sleeping colorless green ideas) should be completely routine in a mentalist cosmos. Why the world-mind does not permit individual spoon-bending is up to you to explain. The reason that spoon-bending does not happen in a materialist or physicalist cosmos should be something that you accept.
hackenslash wrote:Little Idiot wrote:nor does idealism imply bending spoons by mind power as Cito repeats ad nauseam
You misunderstand. He's not talking about the literal bending of literal spoons, he's saying there is no spoon. In other words, all the wibble in the world is mere bollocks, yours included.
That you don't get this is an indictment in itself.
Little Idiot wrote:nor does idealism imply bending spoons by mind power as Cito repeats ad nauseam
That's bending material spoons by mind power, and not what we're talking about at all. We've been at this crossroads before. We are now talking about mentalist bending of mentalist spoons in an idealist cosmos. Don't tell me it doesn't happen.
All those spoon-bending shows that purport to bend material spoons? Bullshit. If your mentalist cosmos is what is going on, those are mentalist spoons, and they're still not bending. The World Mind does not permit spoon bending. Why is that?