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Little Idiot wrote:

SpeedOfSound wrote:

surreptitious57 wrote:

Little Idiot wrote:
I see a tree is good evidence that there may be a tree over there
Going over and touching the tree would add to the value of the statement : it is not an illusion that
looks like a tree. The senses have provided evidence for the statement there is a tree over there

But he claims this justifies the statement that the world is material that materialism is correct and idealism false
I would like him to explain this he does not seem to see the need as he claims he is presenting objective facts

You wont agree with his stated position will you
QUESTION : do you agree or disagree with the statement if neither briefly explain

edit to clarify the statement I am questioning and quoted a couple of times
As I asked earlier : Specifically first up what evidence do you have
for the statement The world that is being experienced is a material world

Is this the third time now you have asked me this question ? And my answer is still the same. The world is physical and we know this because we experience it as such. And that is because our senses interpret the information in that way. Indeed given that everything that is known is either physical or contingent upon the physical there is no other way of interpreting it [ I have used the term physical here rather than material out of habit. For me the difference between the two is academic ]

You reject this definition because you are an idealist. But can you give one example of anything which is either not physical or contingent upon the physical ? Remember that subjective interpretation is not evidence now. No matter how much you convince yourself that your position is the one objective true one that does not make it so

He needs to separate physical from material. With material being physical with some mysterious extra-existencey property added. It takes the heat off his assumption about the great world mind creator god. He also needs the contrast to make mental an ontic type.

There is no getting through to these dichotomy believers. They insist on monism yet continually create dualisms as sort of cookie cutters to support the metaphysics. They will throw straw at you until you get bored and quit posting.

Stop this dishonesty, you know full well I did not make up materialism, its simply a term used by OTHERS for the doctrine that nothing exists except matter and its movements and modifications.

You were fast enough to separate physicalism from materialism yourself, and if you were to answer the question about materialism, youd have to disagree with the central position it entails.