Posted: Feb 18, 2017 2:24 pm
by DavidMcC
archibald wrote:
DavidMcC wrote:
archibald wrote:The options are 'apparent' in the sense that you do not get to choose them freely, so they are not 'really' options, in that sense. In another sense they are real, a choice between a tomato or an apple for instance. There are choices, they get made, but not freely, that's all.

I note that you have given a trivial example, but what about choosing a college or university when you get good enough grades to get offers from several.
I say this because I note years ago that no-free-willers like to play this particular gambit.

Thanks David but we've already talked about this, you and I. My view is that it makes no difference, since every single moment of deliberations is as caused/determined or random as for any other choice, even if the choices are deliberated over. I don't see how it can be otherwise. More deliberation does not mean free deliberation. In any case, at some point, it all comes down to a final, simple choice at the very last moment.

I know we have already talked about this, but you never gave a satisfactory answer, and this is just the same. I asked for an example. I also do not accept that "it's always a simple choice at the last moment", as if the thinking behind the choice was mysteriously abandoned "at the last moment".