Posted: Oct 06, 2017 5:03 pm
by GrahamH
DavidMcC wrote:
GrahamH wrote:
John Platko wrote:
Yes, that's not quite right, it's more like: I was free to choose, nobody (including me), made me do it.


If you didn't make yourself act how the fuck can it be free will?
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Coercion can overcome one's will to act, such as (I guess) when you are in prison., where you can't necessarily make yourself act.


FFS! How can it be free will if you don't make yourself act? That is you DO act but it isn't brought about by you willing it (intending it).

I know from your pet definitions of free will that you can't call that free will. Not only do you exclude acts not thought about you require significant deliberation that can only be done given "enough time". So acting without conscious intentional thoughts plus deliberation about consequences is not what you call free will.