Posted: Mar 03, 2018 9:49 pm
by SafeAsMilk
jamest wrote:Science works, I'll grant you that, because the observational/experienced world is ordered. Though the fact that the observed/experienced world is ordered and science works does NOT imply that the world exists independently of 'that' which observes/experiences it.

Yeah, actually it does. It's exactly what it implies, because it's what we'd expect to see if the world existed independently of that which observes it.

This BASIC bit of philosophy has eluded these 'sharp brains' for over a decade now (wrt my participation). I'm dumbfounded, I must confess

Why? You've never actually made the case for your "BASIC bit of philosophy". Mostly just chest thumping and cheesy invective. If you want to be taken seriously (and this is necessary if you want to accomplish what you say is your goal) then maybe you should start with what you'd expect to see if the world did exist independently of that which observes it. Or anything really, instead of just assuming that you're right.