Posted: Aug 31, 2018 11:10 pm
by jamest
Thommo wrote:I'm not convinced by a lot of this. I have a preference for one form of politics - liberal, free, democratic, intelligent, mature, rational and evidence based, but that leaves open a lot of different positions someone could take. On the other hand I think it's safe to say I don't like bullshit (pretty much by the definition of bullshit), and there's at least one form of politics I can't stand (Nazism, communism to name a couple)

I've just come back from the USA - that showpiece democracy which is supposedly the home of liberalism and the free - and apart from there being plenty of money for a minority of its populace, I'm wondering what it is about that which still has you hooked in, line and sinker?

Politics is utterly corrupt and unfair and I will never place my trust in any system which allows a minority of its population to be homeless and starving, with the majority just plodding on, so that a minority can live 'the dream'. Fuck that shit.

I've no idea what the East/West divide is supposed to represent here either. Japan doesn't seem all that different in a lot of ways, and I'd certainly take either Japan or a typical Western country over China or North Korea, or Venezuela.ote the

The term 'East/West politics' was meant to denote the whole gamut of political experience across the globe. I accept that I could and should have made that clearer.

I don't really know what the future will bring, and I'm firmly convinced nobody else does either.

We've as a whole been trusting rulers/governments for millennia and the fucking lot of them have taken the piss and still are. Even the communists, supposedly the epitome of being "for the people".

Uncertainty grows exponentially into the future, but the near future shows few signs of a one world government, I don't think it would be easy to convince Xi or Putin or Kim to give up power, and it's not exactly clear what problems such a government would actually be able to solve anyway.

Well, my prediction wasn't for next week. It's just that social media, which is relatively new even here in The West, now allows for strong collective ideas opposed to the status quo. Indeed, if I remember correctly social media was directly instrumental in causing the Egyptian revolution which occurred a half-dozen+ years ago. It certainly comes as no surprise to me that you sometimes hear about governments imposing severe internet restrictions/bans in places like North Korea in order to prevent the spread of negative propaganda.

The significant thing with social media is that it allows for 'common people' from all around the world to communicate on a regular basis, to share experiences and ideas. As time progresses, more and more people across the globe are acquiring access to this means of communication. One assumes that in a handful of decades it will be as common a theme across Third World countries as it is here in The West, where nearly everyone has a phone/pc and access to the internet.

People in general are not utterly ignorant any more. They won't put up with shite for very long when they can connect with masses who feel the same way, who are willing en masse to do something to change said shite. Even when we were still largely ignorant and had few if any means to evaluate opinions, massive revolutions still occurred. There's plenty of evidence of that in your history books. So don't underestimate the value of social media. It's going to have a big impact on the politics of the future, globally.

In my opinion, this Trump malarkey epitomises the madness and greed/corruptness/injustice of 'democracy' (not that you cannot find evidence of its many flaws throughout history in general), to the extent that many people are fucked-off with the whole shebang. It's fubar on a plate, every night on the news. How the fuck you can still buy into the ideals of democracy is a mystery to me. Perhaps you're one of those few rich people enjoying the material benefits of its ideals, in which case you should be ashamed of yourself for promoting a political ideal for your OWN ends. I dunno, but from where I'm sat democracy looks like it's rapidly sinking down the plug-hole. And thank fuck I live in an era which allows me to evaluate the situation, and not just for myself, james.