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BWE wrote:

laklak wrote:Things have utility. Like the rug. It really ties the room together.

That's exactly my point. Models are some weird shit when they get to the point of self-reference. Imagine if a rug pondered about rugs. The room would suddenly lose all it's good feng shui.

First we discover recursion. Here we go again.

You're not wrong that it's weird when models get to the point of self-reference in constructing the model, but sometimes this has been successful. That's not the problem with models of consciousnessnss. The problem there is that the models are bullshit.

Some poetry about Feng Shui doesn't help much, either.