Posted: Sep 11, 2018 8:34 am
by Thommo
wisedupearly wrote:
Thommo wrote:In the abstract I'm not sure I do have value.

If you live rationally you certainly have value to yourself.

As I said, it's a matter of perspective. There are different things that phrase can mean and by some of them I do and by some of them I don't.

Living rationally is not dependent on self-value. Living rationally is contingent on making decisions on a rational basis - that is, by making decisions that maximise the chance of reaching desired outcomes based on certain reasonable constraints and sets of assumptions.

It matters not if I eat because I dislike hunger, if I eat because I enjoy the experience of eating, or if I eat because I am aware that if I do not I will starve. Ironically to think of my day to day life as being founded upon the last would be very much the exemplar of the sort of intellectuallism you were decrying in your other thread. Daily life is founded far more on habit, routine and the satisfaction of basic needs without a broader intellectual framework, in reality.

wisedupearly wrote:That is all you need. It maybe all you will ever get, but I hope not.
Think rational and act rational. What you have you will be more likely to keep. You will be more likely to increase your community. And so it goes.

I don't even know what you mean by "increase your community" or "will be more likely to keep what you have". There's also a missing link between these things (which hopefully you will define) and acting rationally. Why, beyond your mere assertion, do you ask me to believe that I am more likely to do these things if I "value myself" or "improve my value"?