Posted: Jan 11, 2019 10:55 am
by archibald
Hermit wrote:
archibald wrote:“The highest ideal that a person holds - either consciously or subconsciously - that is their god”

No, it's not. The highest ideal that a person holds is their highest ideal.

Can you point out a practical use for this simile? Until you convince me that there is one, it flies exactly, as Douglas Adams quipped, like a brick doesn't.

Also, what is the subconscious? Is it the missing link between the conscious and the unconscious? Once you've explained that to me, please prove to me that since I do not consciously hold my highest ideal to be my god, I do so subconsciously.

archibald wrote:There is no need to call it a god. And because of the baggage associated with that word, it might be counter-productive, or even arguably wrong.

Cool. That's settled then. We shall now leave the simile in the colloquial sphere, which is exactly where it belongs, and turn to more important matters. I, for one, shall head for the bathroom and brush my teeth. Very, very important. I do that at least twice a day. Religiously. :P

I'm not going to try to convince you to take the idea seriously. :)

That said, maybe look at it this (after me just saying I'm not going to try to convince you). God is (imo) almost certainly just an idea in our head, and religion just the communal/institutional manifestation of such a thing. Now, as far as I know, there is no neural correlate for god or religion that has been found to be present in the ('normal') brains of theists that is absent in the ('normal') brains of atheists. As such, it seems plausible that most people's brains are operating in similar fashion, but that different modes are labelled and expressed and conceived of differently. Theists and atheists are really 'just people' after all.

As to subconsciousness, yes, that may not be the best word. Maybe non-consciousness is better. Either way, I'm not seeing it as central.