Posted: Jan 15, 2019 12:30 am
by jamest
archibald wrote:“The highest ideal that a person holds - either consciously or subconsciously - that is their god”


To get the ball rolling, consider.......rationality. Let's say a lot of people do (and have, perhaps especially many philosophers) considered this as something of an ideal, the idea of a rational man (person, obviously). Many atheists may be included here, I'm suggesting.

Of course, by 'god' we don't mean a supernatural, controlling entity, we mean something which might be called a 'drive' or a psychological force. Perhaps those aren't even the right words. But something that effectively acts in many of the same ways (perhaps not all) as a god, or indeed, in some ways, as a religion, as something...dare I say...revered, possibly even sacred (in a secular sense). Possibly even worshipped, no matter how controversial that may sound (and I'm sure it will, to some, it does even to me).

Now consider this. There is no such thing as a rational human. It does not exist.

How the fuck are you going to prove that point except by reason? :nono:

Further, as Voltaire said, "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him".

That's the sort of stunt that cunts like Trump do to manipulate people. Politics has, essentially, always been about the art of manipulating the hearts of the masses to sustain the power of very few people, even one.

There IS a rational perspective of the concept of God, devoid of any religious bias. I know this because I freqeunt no church and have yet tried to explain this myself. The following link was 6 years ago, for instance. ... l#p1772771

Your thread is for room 101, regardless. You cannot use reason to determine that reason is shit. It's self-destructive.
Kant made the same basic error 200 years ago.