Posted: Aug 06, 2019 11:52 am
by Cito di Pense
zoon wrote:
romansh wrote:Sorry zoon … too many words and not enough clarity.

You said the people I mentioned [those that succumb to curiosity and peer pressure] are not capable of operating in society? I am lost. Succumbing to peer pressure is surely part of society?

I asked a question those who do not have mental difficulties do they have free will? Because I thought you implied in a earlier post they might not. I am looking for clarification.

I would not say that people have free will if they have mental difficulties which prevent them from coping with the complexities of social rules in ordinary life.

I would say that an action was free-willed if the actor was mentally competent and was not being coerced. If that action was in violation of a local social rule, then I think it is appropriate for that society to hold the actor personally responsible for their action, and to punish them.

You don't have much of a clue about how to do this, do you, and because of that, you write only the broadest and most useless generalities, as if you were only just desperate to license yourself to use a certain kind of language without a sense of how to apply it. A mentally competent person may get drunk one night, and just stay home watching TV. On another occasion, that person's judgement is equally-impaired and he or she may take the wheel of an automobile; we treat driving as ordinary social life and treat getting drunk as an aspect of ordinary social life, in case you've been living in a cave for your adult life. We have laws that simply make drunk driving illegal, regardless of degree of mental competence when sober. Your glib platitudes about personal responsibility are just fucking stupid, because it's trivially easy to blow a big hole in them. There's a term we apply to people who demand (or at least unreasonably prefer) a perfectly-organized system of rules before proceeding, even if they want to base those rules on some prospective scientific analysis that has, in fact, been shown to be impossible to perform.