Posted: May 02, 2020 3:25 am
by jamest
GrahamH wrote:
jamest wrote:The difference between me/you and a 'predestined' robotic machine, should be fucking obvious.

Differences/distinctions between machines/robots of the same ilk are barely discernible wrt their outputs, which are more-or-less identical.

'Humans' are of the same ilk, yet their output is utterly unpredictable and certainly unexplainable beyond a philosophy which does not embrace free will as a basis thereof.

Your posts here are more predictable than my robot vacuum cleaner.

I beg to differ, notwithstanding the fact that YOU are the most robotic 'human' I've encountered on this forum. You remind me of Spock, though obviously not as bright.

Yet again you have just evded the challenge to explain how anyone can demonstrate to themselves that any thought/willing that comes to mind is a product of free will mind magic rather than neurobiological processes in the brain and events in the world.

I've given my thoughts on this matter in the past, which amount to 'I' am more than my consciousness of the world. Please consider an analogy that might help to explain my position:

You're the inventor of the telescope. You look through it for the first time and am awed to the extent that you forget yourself and what you have invented, for a limited time, because you are lost within the wondrous sights all around you.

For me, world consciousness is akin to God looking through the telescope of human eyes/experience. Further, world consciousness is God lost in the awe of it all, even for a limited time.

The potential exists, however, for YOU to wake up to the fact that you are more than what you see/experience. THEN, you'll understand why you have free will.

You haven't even attempted to justify the nonsense notion that that it is only detachment from the physical world that gives anything "meaning".

There is no physical world, there is only the report of one through one's 'telescope'.

Be honest jamest, you are compelled to defend sprit mind free will or abandon your belief in possessing divine creative superpowers and you cherished "philosophy". If you can't demonstrate superpowers it's near certain that you don't have superpowers.

This is all about mustard seeds, Graham.

I'm not even sure what 'miracle' would ABSOLUTELY convince you, but be my guest.