Posted: May 06, 2020 9:01 pm
by CdeLosada
campermon wrote:
CdeLosada wrote:

I’ve never understood why these experiments are supposed to have any relevance to the notion of free will. All they show is that sometimes we may make choices unconsciously. So what? Making them consciously doesn’t change the fact that everything is predetermined...

No it's not! :)

CdeLosada wrote:
And by the way, to adduce that quantum-mechanics randomness may open a window for free will is nonsense. If subject to quantum-mechanics randomness, our will would just act randomly—it would still not be “free”.


Perhaps not 'randomly', but probabilistically.

Maybe we don't exactly have free will, but probabilistic will? :ask:

:cheers:

Don't know... Honest to God (in a manner of speaking :)), I don’t understand free will. I don’t know what it means. I think the key question is, “free from what?”

Naturally, I’m not speaking of being free to do as one wishes, in the sense that if you’re not in prison, say, you’re free to go for a walk. I mean the wish to go for a walk itself—what would it be free from? From the laws of nature? Where does it come from, if not from everything that preceded it? If we could magically rewind time and you go back to where you were before deciding to go for a walk, would you choose differently? How so? Quantum randomness maybe? But then, are you choosing “freely”?