Posted: Apr 09, 2022 4:36 am
Destroyer wrote:Spearthrower wrote:
And this, dear Destroyer, is precisely why I will continue to challenge Zoon's claims about how all science supports their assertions: it's not only readily shown false, but also exposes a critically false understanding of how science operates and why it works.
You simply don't seem to be aware that there are two separate arguments that are been conflated here, 1. Theory of Mind is currently more reliable at predicting human behaviour than science - this is zoon's pet theory,..
And what you don't appear in the slightest bit interested in following is that this is expressly what I've challenged a dozen times.
Destroyer wrote:... which I do not disagree with;
So you 'agree' with a claim about science for which you have been presented no evidence?
Then don't seek to lecture me as this is irrational and directly contrary to how science operates.
Destroyer wrote:... because all mental states are subjective and therefore not currently open to any means of empirical analysis and verification,
And you then contradict yourself because you now state 2 positions: i) ToM more reliably predicts human behavior than 'science' and ii) theorizing about mind is impossible.
Destroyer wrote: 2. There is no reason why science, in its study of the brain, i.e., neuroscience, will not advance sufficiently to make reliable predictions about mental states and concepts -
You're just repeating the exact same errors Zoon has made, so why even bother?
Destroyer wrote:this is precisely due to zoon's conviction that there is a one-to-one correspondence between the brain and mind, hence studying the brain will tell us about the mind. That is the aspect of zoon's argument that I have latched unto, and not her preoccupation with "Theory of Mind".
You've both latched onto a position you can't provide any evidence for and insist should be taken as granted despite the lack of evidence.
Why exactly do either of you expect that non-scientific opinions about science are convincing, I have no idea - but you can't just keep repeating yourself as if the strength of your convictions is meant to be convincing?