Posted: Jun 18, 2022 1:20 pm
Spearthrower wrote:
And this is exactly why you should feel obliged to engage with clearer and more relevant substance, because your reframing of BWE's claim is not remotely similar to what he said, nor even relevant. It's a fundamental misapprehension or mischaracterization, either/or.
BWE made no claim about 'nothing'.
Obviously, for your understanding I was providing similar examples of the self-evident abuse of absolute reason.
BWE's claim says that order is a property of the universe.
He actually said that "order is an emergent property of reality".
By logical default this implies that reality must initially/fundamentally be devoid of order - otherwise it would be present from the onset and would not have to 'emerge'.
Consequently, something that is utterly devoid of order is fundamentally/initially chaotic, absolutely so. Therefore, what he is actually stating is:
"Chaos is self-ordering by nature"
Or,
"Order emerges from absolute Chaos".
Any rational contemplation of the concept of 'absolute chaos' leads one to conclude that such a reality cannot exist, because 'things' are themselves ordered/defined structures by necessity as must be the arena (space/time/whatever) in which they interact. That is, there can be no finite things in a chaotic reality.
Therefore, if reality was chaotic it would necessarily have to be indivisible and therefore singular in nature.
But then, how could a reality of one be said to be chaotic? It would make no sense because 'one' has nothing else to interact with. Therefore, a 'chaotic reality' is a nonsensical concept. I.e., whatever reality fundamentally is, it cannot be chaotic.
And this is why we can see that BWE was talking nonsense. Just parroting a rubbish mantra.