Posted: Jun 20, 2022 6:19 pm
BWE wrote:jamest wrote:Spearthrower wrote:contemplating reality with an open mind
Incidentally, you're saying here that reality is independent of mind.
No, I'm saying that reality is independent of (transcends) facts about our observed universe. That there are no such facts relevant in any endeavour to contemplate reality (try naming one!). Also, that any such endeavour can only proceed upon the basis of reason alone... philosophy. Bottom line:
The ontological value of facts about the observed universe is zero.
Few, seemingly, ever fully realise this fact. A fact not about the world, but about the limits of empirical knowledge. A fact unveiled by reason alone.
The true value of philosophy goes right over most people's head because they have not considered this, or understood it.
Fact, the universe appears to be consistent. Ie logic works. Any model which is not grounded on that fact isn't a model and has no philosophy
I'm not denying that our observations/experiences are ordered and therefore predictable, but these are reducible to internal events within ourselves, none of which informs us about what we actually are or whether there's a reality beyond that.
Ultimately, believing that the reality of whatever you are is that of a finite body within the material universe, can be demonstrated to be a massive assumption with zero 'facts' to support the claim and certainly no sound reasoning. And as long as you hold on to that belief, then you're no more open-minded to metaphysics than most, including the religious.