Posted: May 07, 2018 8:57 am
by zoon
Dynalon wrote:"Let us now assume, for the sake of argument, that these machines are a genuine possibility, and look at the consequences of constructing them. To do so would of course meet with great opposition, unless we have advanced greatly in religious toleration from the days of Galileo. There would be great opposition from the intellectuals who were afraid of being put out of a job. It is probable though that the intellectuals would be mistaken about this. There would be plenty to do, trying to understand what the machines were trying to say, i.e. in trying to keep one’s intelligence up to the standard set by the machines, for it seems probable that once the machine thinking method had started, it would not take long to outstrip our feeble powers. There would be no question of the machines dying, and they would be able to converse with each other to sharpen their wits. At some stage therefore we should have to expect the machines to take control, in the way that is mentioned in Samuel Butler’s 'Erewhon'."

— Alan Turing, Intelligent Machinery: A Heretical Theory, 1951

But that's science fiction. Erewhon is science fiction. You are taking Erewhon seriously. Very, very seriously. Stop taking science fiction seriously, Alan.

Alan Turing also thought that computers would be able to pass the Turing Test by the year 2000, but in fact it's still easy to tell after a few minutes whether one is talking to a computer or a human. Human brains are almost certainly mechanisms, but they are fantastically complex. Yes, there is already some integration of brains and artificial machinery (e.g.deep-brain stimulation in treatment of Parkinson's Disease), and I expect this will be taken much further in the future if we don't blow ourselves up first, but for the time being, as far as I can tell, nobody's managed to improve on the functioning of a normal human brain as evolution designed it. Are you suggesting this is not the case? I'm not clear what you are saying - are you claiming that a military force using brain implants in its soldiers would be likely to defeat one without, in the present state of technology? Drones and other remote-controlled machines look to me like a better option so far.