Posted: Jan 27, 2019 2:29 pm
Evolving wrote:tuco wrote:Let me just note that the only equivalence between the ad and what I described is that members of one gender should take actions against members of their own gender if such members do not act cool.
I asked this before, how cool is profiting from toxic masculinity, thus inevitably going against the spirit of the Gillette ad? If its cool, I forfeit my point. The philosophy is to get rid of it not to live from it.
I said yesterday that you had a point, but having thought about it a bit more today I don't think it's a very good point.
It's basically the same discussion as around sex work. Are female sex workers (assuming they are in it voluntarily and are not being coerced) making a valid choice to offer a product on a market that exists in our real world? Or are they perpetuating the patriarchy and thus the enemies of right-thinking feminists? Both views can be found. (Personally I incline to the former.)
Here, too, I suppose there is the danger that some of the punters might conclude that women generally are inclined to behave like the service providers that they have encountered on this market, and that it's therefore ok to approach other women, who are not providing a service on this market, with this expectation. That they might, in other words, behave like the moron in laklak's satire.
How hard is it to work out that the market for sex work, as with the twitch streams, is a special environment that can't be generalised? Are women responsible for the stupidity of certain men? Well, other than when they are our minor sons.
I know you were trying to understand what I was trying to say. Not everyone is like that.
I have been with many sex workers not once anything resembling toxic was going on iirc. In my opening post I stated:
female streamers who, apparently, use their sex appeal to get viewers and earn money. Now there is nothing wrong with that imo
and 3 pages later I get to read, again, how bikini dance does not frame with Gillette ad. Of course it does, in the sense I talk about, telling members of own gender when they do not act cool. As I said, streamers are responsible for the chat. They can ban displays of toxic masculinity. Some do that and some don't. The question was: Are those who allow it cool? Because I can't see how they are cool since they allow toxic masculinity.