Posted: Aug 19, 2019 8:50 am
by Thomas Eshuis
Spearthrower wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:I would've thought that changing a noun into a adverb wouldn't unnecessarily change the pronunciation.


Converting from a stem word to any other word nearly always changes pronunciation, even if only stress intonation.

E.g. noun to adjective.

ATtribute > aTRIButed
CONduct > conDUCted
EXtract > exTRACted


Those are examples of a change in word stresses. Which happen in Dutch as well.


Yep that's what I said; a change in pronunciation.


Thomas Eshuis wrote:The example of dynasty and dynastic, is a change from an short i, to long y.

For the example you listed to be analogous they'd have to be:
Ah-tribute > Aa-tributed
Con-duct > Coon-duct
Ex-tract > Eex-tract


Actually, they kind of do, albeit in reverse. They change the first vowel sound to a schwa, so a mid-length sound to a very short sound.

əTRIButed
cənDUCT
əxTRACT <-- probably only a Southern British thing

Thomas Eshuis wrote:Or to reverse engineer your examples on dynasty/dynastic:
DInasty > diNAStic rather than DInasty > DYnastic.



Sure, but as Papa Smurf already pointed out, one's British English and one's American English, so trying to perform the above is going to produce the same kind of results as with aluminium, basil, filet, lieutenant, oregano, privacy, vitamin, etc.

I fear I am not making my point clearly enough.
I am not talking about a difference in pronunciation in the from of a different word stress.
I am talking about how changing a noun into an adverb changes the pronunciation of a single vowel to a different vowel.
And that, while American English does remain consistent in using a -y sound, the British English pronunciation uses a short -i sound in the verb, but changes it to a longer -y sound in the adverb form of the same word.