It's worth pointing our out to all you skeptics, that astrology was an accepted science for thousands of years, dating back to old Babylon,, moving to the Roman empire and thriving and being an established belief system deep into the Englightenment.
Though suffering challenges along the way, as we witness in Shakespeare for example, some of Europe's greatest astronomers were primarily astrologers, and the most important reason for understanding the stars was for the purpose of prediction; Galileo, Newton, Kepler and others all held this as an indelible assumption of reality.
History is littered with dead sciences, and I do not suppose our current way of thinking is immune to the same attrition.
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Re: Astrology
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Re: Astrology
#22 by Hobbes Choice » Apr 05, 2016 9:17 pm
laklak wrote:No you can't.
Oh yes I can!!!!
Boom .... Click .... these are the jokes folks!
Lap them up.
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Re: Astrology
#23 by VazScep » Apr 05, 2016 9:17 pm
That's not an argument; it's just contradiction.laklak wrote:No you can't.
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Re: Astrology
#24 by laklak » Apr 05, 2016 9:21 pm
It is too.
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Re: Astrology
#25 by VazScep » Apr 05, 2016 9:21 pm
Well, the way I've had it told, mathematical physics kicks off in order to predict the motions of the wandering stars (*), and the only people really interested in that were the members of the Catholic Church trying to figure out how to accurately date Easter or something.Hobbes Choice wrote:It's worth pointing our out to all you skeptics, that astrology was an accepted science for thousands of years, dating back to old Babylon,, moving to the Roman empire and thriving and being an established belief system deep into the Englightenment.
Though suffering challenges along the way, as we witness in Shakespeare for example, some of Europe's greatest astronomers were primarily astrologers, and the most important reason for understanding the stars was for the purpose of prediction; Galileo, Newton, Kepler and others all held this as an indelible assumption of reality.
History is littered with dead sciences, and I do not suppose our current way of thinking is immune to the same attrition.
And we shouldn't forget alchemy.
(*) I recently read a sci-fi story by Verne Vinge which suggested that inhabited planets that don't have the beautifully simple system of fellow planets orbiting their star are at a major disadvantage when it comes to getting all sciencey.
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Re: Astrology
#26 by tuco » Apr 05, 2016 9:22 pm
As the Latin quote suggests Kepler was aware of another aspect of Astrology - Astronomy relation. To be able to do the latter the former was needed to be done. Astronomy did not make money then and today Astrology still does.
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Re: Astrology
#27 by laklak » Apr 05, 2016 9:25 pm
People don't want to be responsible for their own fate, it's easier to blame The Planets or malign spirits than to blame themselves.
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Re: Astrology
#28 by campermon » Apr 05, 2016 9:29 pm
laklak wrote:People don't want to be responsible for their own fate, it's easier to blame The Planets or malign spirits than to blame themselves.
Indeed Prof LakLak.
I believe that the origin of the word 'disaster' comes from 'misalignment of the stars'.
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Re: Astrology
#29 by VazScep » Apr 05, 2016 9:33 pm
Another story I have is that before Newton, everyone thought the heavens were a distinct reality from the Earth, obeying their own laws. Maybe it's easier to imagine weird influences between the two spheres in that case. Attached is one of my favourite medieval pictures.laklak wrote:People don't want to be responsible for their own fate, it's easier to blame The Planets or malign spirits than to blame themselves.
Once you get this idea with Newton that it's just one big universe obeying the same laws, maybe the idea that the planets are influencing you is as silly as the idea that any other random object on Earth is. Dunno. It'd be interesting to know how astrology waxed or waned after Newton.
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Re: Astrology
#30 by VazScep » Apr 05, 2016 9:35 pm
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Re: Astrology
#31 by tuco » Apr 05, 2016 9:36 pm
My horoscope for those who answered 13: they will not get t-shirt with that pic.
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Re: Astrology
#32 by Onyx8 » Apr 05, 2016 9:51 pm
3, and I'm a Cancer.
The problem with fantasies is you can't really insist that everyone else believes in yours, the other problem with fantasies is that most believers of fantasies eventually get around to doing exactly that.
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Re: Astrology
#33 by campermon » Apr 05, 2016 9:53 pm
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Re: Astrology
#34 by Hobbes Choice » Apr 05, 2016 9:57 pm
VazScep wrote:Well, the way I've had it told, mathematical physics kicks off in order to predict the motions of the wandering stars (*), and the only people really interested in that were the members of the Catholic Church trying to figure out how to accurately date Easter or something.Hobbes Choice wrote:It's worth pointing our out to all you skeptics, that astrology was an accepted science for thousands of years, dating back to old Babylon,, moving to the Roman empire and thriving and being an established belief system deep into the Englightenment.
Though suffering challenges along the way, as we witness in Shakespeare for example, some of Europe's greatest astronomers were primarily astrologers, and the most important reason for understanding the stars was for the purpose of prediction; Galileo, Newton, Kepler and others all held this as an indelible assumption of reality.
History is littered with dead sciences, and I do not suppose our current way of thinking is immune to the same attrition.
Actually star gazing goes way back to early civilisations: Egypt, China, Babylon, and the civs of South America too. Mostly was related to knowing when the best time was to plant crops, but as per usual with humans they had to mix it all up with lots of mumbo-jumbo.
It's the priesthood with the hermetic knowledge, wielding all the power and masking it with a system of belief that meant they could sit on their arses, and collect the grain that other people had toiled for, but the priests were 'responsible' for the success of due to them placating the forces of nature and the divine to bring the crops forth.
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Re: Astrology
#35 by Hobbes Choice » Apr 05, 2016 9:59 pm
Old English, from Latin, ‘crab or creeping ulcer’, translating Greek karkinos, said to have been applied to such tumours because the swollen veins around them resembled the limbs of a crab. canker was the usual form until the 17th century
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Re: Astrology
#36 by tuco » Apr 05, 2016 10:05 pm
It should stand for imagination ;)
Then again, I see Ophiuchus as Penguin upside-down.
Then again, I see Ophiuchus as Penguin upside-down.
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Re: Astrology
#37 by laklak » Apr 05, 2016 10:16 pm
Indubitably, Magister Campy.
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Re: Astrology
#38 by Gord » Apr 06, 2016 6:52 am
Onyx8 wrote:3, and I'm a Cancer.
Ah, so you claim! Yet you are clearly a Scorpio, for you have lived the day of a Scorpio by arguing with children.
Hobbes Choice wrote:Old English, from Latin, ‘crab or creeping ulcer’, translating Greek karkinos, said to have been applied to such tumours because the swollen veins around them resembled the limbs of a crab. canker was the usual form until the 17th century
Hence "carcinogen". Wait, I said "hence". That cannot be allowed to stand! Strikeout the "hence"!
Here are the signs by the corresponding numbers:
1. (Gemini)
2. (Taurus)
3. (Scorpio)
4. (Libra)
5. (Sagittarius)
6. (Aquarius)
7. (Pisces)
8. (Virgo)
9. (Leo)
10. (Cancer)
11. (Capricorn)
12. (Aries)
13. (You don't exist; I made you up)
Hobbes Choice wrote:Everyone except 13,11, and 3, I think.
You, sir, are a multitude, but you are obviously neither a Scorpio nor a Capricorn.
I myself should have argued with people over money, as I thought I was an Aquarius; but apparently my parents lied to me about my birth date, for I had no conversations whatsoever regarding money.
Here's the website where you can go back and see the horoscopes for April 4th: http://www.metronews.ca/horoscopes.html "Daily horoscopes by Francis Drake." (Didn't he circumnavigate something once?
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Re: Astrology
#39 by Onyx8 » Apr 06, 2016 3:40 pm
With precession taken into account of course they are all one sign out anyhow. (it's just a step to left…)
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Re: Astrology
#40 by John Platko » Apr 06, 2016 3:45 pm
I may regret this but ...
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•We are born at a given moment in a given place and like vintage years of wine we have the qualities of the year and of the season in which we are born. Astrology does not lay claim to anything else. - C.G.Jung
•Astrology is one of the intuitive methods like the I Ching, geomantics, and other divinatory procedures. It is based upon the synchronicity principle, i.e. meaningful coincidence. ... Astrology is a naively projected psychology in which the different attitudes and temperaments of man are represented as gods and identified with planets and zodiacal constellations. - Carl Gustav Jung
•The starry vault of heaven is in truth the open book of cosmic projection, in which are reflected the mythologems, i.e., the archetypes. In this vision astrology and alchemy, the two classical functionaries of the psychology of the collective unconscious, join hands. - Carl .G. Jung
•Astrology is of particular interest to the psychologist, since it contains a sort of psychological experience which we call projected - this means that we find the psychological facts as it were in the constellations. This originally gave rise to the idea that these factors derive from the stars, whereas they are merely in a relation of synchronicity with them. I admit that this is a very curious fact which throws a peculiar light on the structure of the human mind. .... Carl G. Jung in 1947 in a letter to prof. B.V. Raman
•So far as the personality is still potential, it can be called transcendent, and so far as it is unconscious, it is indistinguishable from all those things that carry its projections...[that is,] symbols of the outside world and the cosmic symbols. These form the psychological basis for the conception of man as a macrocosm through the astrological components of his character. - Carl G. Jung
•Astrologers are influenced by theosophy, so they say, "That is very simple, it is just vibration!" ... But what is vibration? They say it is light energy, perhaps electricity, they are not quite informed. At all events the vibrations that could influence us have never been seen, so it remains just a word. - Carl G. Jung in 1929
I like to imagine ...
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