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#1  Postby willhud9 » Nov 21, 2016 2:24 am

Okay so like any good person with an interest in medical science, as far as I know the vast majority of scientific literature does not hold Chiropractic Medicine to be effective.

So the other day I was engaged in a discussion with some friends at the bar and my one friend has been dealing with severe back pain due to a car accident a few years back. She went to her doctor and her doctor recommended a chiropractic doctor. When she told me that I was confused because why would a GP recommend a holistic medical solution?

She started going to one and she was reporting that it was working and that her back pain was going away. I asked her if it was really or if it was just a placebo and she says it really went away.

So me, not being an expert on this kind of medicine, or perhaps not knowledgeable on this topic, is asking people here. Is chiropractic medicine bullshit? Or can it be effective?
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Re: Chiropractic Medicine

#2  Postby The_Metatron » Nov 21, 2016 2:37 am

Nothing prevents a chiropractor from using evidence based physical therapy techniques. But then, they start babbling about subluxations, and it's all downhill from there.
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Re: Chiropractic Medicine

#3  Postby SafeAsMilk » Nov 21, 2016 2:40 am

The Wikipedia page has a lot of links, seems to say that it's mostly bullshit with some minor, possibly effective applications. Whole lotta bullshit, though.
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Re: Chiropractic Medicine

#4  Postby Veida » Nov 21, 2016 2:44 am

Chiropractic treatment for lower-back pain is about as good as over-the-counter painkillers.
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Re: Chiropractic Medicine

#5  Postby Skinny Puppy » Nov 21, 2016 4:19 am

A few years back I had a severe pain in my right hip. It even made walking difficult. I went to see my doctor, X-rays taken etc. and I was given pain killers. This went on for months, but the pain persisted. I was still working despite the pain. Every time I went back to my doctor (whom I don’t go to anymore!) he’d tell me it’ll go away and gave me more pain killers.

A friend told me to try a chiropractor. I’d heard all of the propaganda about their evils and said a flat-out no!

The pain went on and on and on, month after month. Finally I figured I’d have nothing to lose and went to a chiropractor not far from here. He did X-rays of my hip and said the joint was slightly out of place, and because it had been that way for some time, the muscles around it were not holding it in its normal position. He pushed the joint back into place, but he said it would slip out again since the muscles had been stretched. I was to go to him every day for a week, then every 2nd day for a week and then twice for the final week, on the condition that I continued to improve. He explained that the muscles would tighten around the joint and would eventually hold it in place. That was the game plan.

After 3 weeks I was 100% pain free and didn’t have to see him again... and I’ve never had to see him again, my hip was back to normal. The pain killers went into the garbage and I went to work a happy, pain-free camper!

I’m totally aware that my experience isn’t proof, but to be honest, I couldn’t give a Kentucky fuck, :dance: I’m pain free and that’s what matters to me.
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Re: Chiropractic Medicine

#6  Postby felltoearth » Nov 21, 2016 4:26 am

The_Metatron wrote:Nothing prevents a chiropractor from using evidence based physical therapy techniques. But then, they start babbling about subluxations, and it's all downhill from there.



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Re: Chiropractic Medicine

#7  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Nov 21, 2016 8:21 am

willhud9 wrote:Okay so like any good person with an interest in medical science, as far as I know the vast majority of scientific literature does not hold Chiropractic Medicine to be effective.

So the other day I was engaged in a discussion with some friends at the bar and my one friend has been dealing with severe back pain due to a car accident a few years back. She went to her doctor and her doctor recommended a chiropractic doctor. When she told me that I was confused because why would a GP recommend a holistic medical solution?

She started going to one and she was reporting that it was working and that her back pain was going away. I asked her if it was really or if it was just a placebo and she says it really went away.

So me, not being an expert on this kind of medicine, or perhaps not knowledgeable on this topic, is asking people here. Is chiropractic medicine bullshit? Or can it be effective?

It can be quite disheartening. Over here, GPs are allowed to prescribe homeopathic cures.
For a long while, while I was younger, we went to one of those GPs.
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Re: Chiropractic Medicine

#8  Postby zulumoose » Nov 21, 2016 9:38 am

I don't remember where I read this, but it was from a Chiropractor a few years back, addressing a conference I believe.

He was explaining how everyone understands that the foot medicine industry is split cleanly into the science and evidence based podiatry, and the woo-woo nonsense reflexology, there is no overlap.

The Chiropractic field has never had this clean split. That is the problem in a nutshell. A random chiropractor could be entirely rational and evidence based, or a nutcase who talks about subluxations and energy auras and whatever flavour of woo he has been exposed to.
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Re: Chiropractic Medicine

#9  Postby Blackadder » Nov 21, 2016 10:31 am

Skinny Puppy wrote:A few years back I had a severe pain in my right hip. It even made walking difficult. I went to see my doctor, X-rays taken etc. and I was given pain killers. This went on for months, but the pain persisted. I was still working despite the pain. Every time I went back to my doctor (whom I don’t go to anymore!) he’d tell me it’ll go away and gave me more pain killers.

A friend told me to try a chiropractor. I’d heard all of the propaganda about their evils and said a flat-out no!

The pain went on and on and on, month after month. Finally I figured I’d have nothing to lose and went to a chiropractor not far from here. He did X-rays of my hip and said the joint was slightly out of place, and because it had been that way for some time, the muscles around it were not holding it in its normal position. He pushed the joint back into place, but he said it would slip out again since the muscles had been stretched. I was to go to him every day for a week, then every 2nd day for a week and then twice for the final week, on the condition that I continued to improve. He explained that the muscles would tighten around the joint and would eventually hold it in place. That was the game plan.

After 3 weeks I was 100% pain free and didn’t have to see him again... and I’ve never had to see him again, my hip was back to normal. The pain killers went into the garbage and I went to work a happy, pain-free camper!

I’m totally aware that my experience isn’t proof, but to be honest, I couldn’t give a Kentucky fuck, :dance: I’m pain free and that’s what matters to me.


That sounds a lot like standard physiotherapy to me. I'm happy for you that it worked.
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#10  Postby Fallible » Nov 21, 2016 12:35 pm

Yep. The other half had a similar thing with his knee, and received physio for it which sounded a lot like that. The only thing I know about chiropractors is that my mum went to one many years ago with a sore back, and ended up in bed for weeks, then severe back problems ever since. This could or could not be correlation = causation.
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#11  Postby The_Metatron » Nov 21, 2016 5:31 pm

Skinny Puppy wrote:A few years back I had a severe pain in my right hip. It even made walking difficult. I went to see my doctor, X-rays taken etc. and I was given pain killers. This went on for months, but the pain persisted. I was still working despite the pain. Every time I went back to my doctor (whom I don’t go to anymore!) he’d tell me it’ll go away and gave me more pain killers.

A friend told me to try a chiropractor. I’d heard all of the propaganda about their evils and said a flat-out no!

The pain went on and on and on, month after month. Finally I figured I’d have nothing to lose and went to a chiropractor not far from here. He did X-rays of my hip and said the joint was slightly out of place, and because it had been that way for some time, the muscles around it were not holding it in its normal position. He pushed the joint back into place, but he said it would slip out again since the muscles had been stretched. I was to go to him every day for a week, then every 2nd day for a week and then twice for the final week, on the condition that I continued to improve. He explained that the muscles would tighten around the joint and would eventually hold it in place. That was the game plan.

After 3 weeks I was 100% pain free and didn’t have to see him again... and I’ve never had to see him again, my hip was back to normal. The pain killers went into the garbage and I went to work a happy, pain-free camper!

I’m totally aware that my experience isn’t proof, but to be honest, I couldn’t give a Kentucky fuck, :dance: I’m pain free and that’s what matters to me.

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Re: Chiropractic Medicine

#12  Postby I'm With Stupid » Nov 21, 2016 7:38 pm

willhud9 wrote:I asked her if it was really or if it was just a placebo and she says it really went away.

They're not mutually exclusive, of course.

I've been to a talk by a chiropractor at a climbing centre and he was giving advice on how to climb safely and stretch properly beforehand. I think a good number of chiropractors are also trained in physiotherapy, but it wouldn't surprise me if they can make a better living as a private chiropractor. I've seen an interesting talk, which I was gonna post, but I can't remember the details. But it was about how long-term bad posture can cause problems with the bones and cartilage, which can then contribute to further health problems not related to bones and muscles. I didn't know the bloke was a chiropractor when I watched it, but he seemed to know what he was talking about, but the bit where he was speculating about other health problems was where I was a bit more dubious (to be fair, it was mentioned more in passing), because he didn't actually know whether the person in the x-ray had the conditions he was talking about. And that's always been the problematic area of chiropractors, when they start claiming it can cure things other than back pain. But as someone who doesn't know a lot about medical science, he probably would sound convincing even if it was entirely bollocks. One good sign was that he didn't mention the word energy at any point.
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Re: Chiropractic Medicine

#13  Postby ScholasticSpastic » Nov 21, 2016 8:08 pm

GPs aren't immune from pseudoscience. I had one who wouldn't stop going on about the curative powers of hydrogen peroxide. Then I found a different one.
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Re: Chiropractic Medicine

#14  Postby The_Metatron » Nov 21, 2016 8:12 pm

ScholasticSpastic wrote:GPs aren't immune from pseudoscience. I had one who wouldn't stop going on about the curative powers of hydrogen peroxide. Then I found a different one.

Oh, come on. A little dilute rocket fuel is good for you.
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Re: Chiropractic Medicine

#15  Postby Pebble » Nov 21, 2016 8:26 pm

Chirporactic theory is based on invisible subluxations of the spine causing just about every illness known to man - or indeed animal. So there is no logical basis for most of what they do. However, subluxations do occur, and can be an uncommon cause of back pain. Further the treatments used can release muscle knots and stretch ligaments, so pain relief is certainly possible. However they are no more effective in this respect that physiotherapy and osteopathy. The difference being where a treatment is shown not to work in trials, physiotherapists abandon that therapy, the others continue blithely as long as people pay for their 'services'. Most of the benefit seen is regression to the mean.
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Re: Chiropractic Medicine

#16  Postby crank » Nov 21, 2016 8:48 pm

I have a back injury that constantly tries invalid me. I went to my GP and they sent me to a chiro in their office. No talk of the woo, just a lot of physical therapy, mainly they hooked me up to an electrocution machine that warmed up the back muscles, I seemed to be relatively immune to the pain from it, I was always telling them to turn it up. This was about a 20 minute thing, I often fell asleep, then the real torture began, I got massages that were what I thought Rolfing must be like. I almost past out a few times, but the worse it hurt, the better my back felt later. The only problem is it didn't last. I still hope to get it more permanently fixed in some way but getting a new knee has priority.
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#17  Postby WayOfTheDodo » Nov 21, 2016 9:53 pm

Skinny Puppy wrote:A few years back I had a severe pain in my right hip. It even made walking difficult. I went to see my doctor, X-rays taken etc. and I was given pain killers. This went on for months, but the pain persisted. I was still working despite the pain. Every time I went back to my doctor (whom I don’t go to anymore!) he’d tell me it’ll go away and gave me more pain killers.

So did an actual physiotherapist (physio the rapist?) x-ray you, or some kind of specialist? How did they miss what the chiropractor saw?
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#18  Postby Skinny Puppy » Nov 21, 2016 10:13 pm

WayOfTheDodo wrote:
Skinny Puppy wrote:A few years back I had a severe pain in my right hip. It even made walking difficult. I went to see my doctor, X-rays taken etc. and I was given pain killers. This went on for months, but the pain persisted. I was still working despite the pain. Every time I went back to my doctor (whom I don’t go to anymore!) he’d tell me it’ll go away and gave me more pain killers.

So did an actual physiotherapist (physio the rapist?) x-ray you, or some kind of specialist? How did they miss what the chiropractor saw?


I was X-rayed by both my family doctor and later on by the chiropractor. The X-rays by my family doctor weren’t read by him, they’re done elsewhere and he just gets a faxed result.

The chiropractor did the X-rays and read them himself.

How it was missed? I have no idea. I do know that sometimes (info from friends that have had problems) when someone goes for X-rays, an MRI or a CT-scan that a problem may not manifest itself when they do the test and all appears good. It’s possible that’s what happened, I just don’t know.

I didn’t know that at the time otherwise I could have requested that my doctor do another set of X-rays, but he should have known that that was a possibility.
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#19  Postby Skinny Puppy » Nov 21, 2016 10:16 pm

The_Metatron wrote:
Skinny Puppy wrote:A few years back I had a severe pain in my right hip. It even made walking difficult. I went to see my doctor, X-rays taken etc. and I was given pain killers. This went on for months, but the pain persisted. I was still working despite the pain. Every time I went back to my doctor (whom I don’t go to anymore!) he’d tell me it’ll go away and gave me more pain killers.

A friend told me to try a chiropractor. I’d heard all of the propaganda about their evils and said a flat-out no!

The pain went on and on and on, month after month. Finally I figured I’d have nothing to lose and went to a chiropractor not far from here. He did X-rays of my hip and said the joint was slightly out of place, and because it had been that way for some time, the muscles around it were not holding it in its normal position. He pushed the joint back into place, but he said it would slip out again since the muscles had been stretched. I was to go to him every day for a week, then every 2nd day for a week and then twice for the final week, on the condition that I continued to improve. He explained that the muscles would tighten around the joint and would eventually hold it in place. That was the game plan.

After 3 weeks I was 100% pain free and didn’t have to see him again... and I’ve never had to see him again, my hip was back to normal. The pain killers went into the garbage and I went to work a happy, pain-free camper!

I’m totally aware that my experience isn’t proof, but to be honest, I couldn’t give a Kentucky fuck, :dance: I’m pain free and that’s what matters to me.

Are Kentucky fucks small things?


It's such a common expression here. I suppose it's to add a bit of emphasis to the garden variety fuck. :smile:
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