Weaver wrote:So no evidence, just misguided belief in long-debunked pretty pictures and a lack of understanding or knowledge of the extent of evidence of paleogravity.

Wrong. I've stated my evidence in the OP.
"Long debunked pretty pictures ?" I don't know what you are talking about. can you link to them please?

So.... Just big-picturing here, but, if gravity were an electrical phenomenon, then it would be possible to construct objects which did not have an inherent charge and watch them float away. Or, it would be possible to construct anti-gravity vehicles by doing the reverse, and engineering them so that they had a charge equal to Earth's gravity. Why do we not observe any interactions between gravity and electromagnetic fields if gravity is electric?

We cannot do these things, and so I am pretty sure that Earth's gravity is not an electrical field.

newolder wrote: " - the earth's surface is negatively charged "
Is it?

Yes, of course.
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Natural ... _the_Earth
try googling " Earth's surface electric charge "
Earth's surface has about 500kC excess negative charge.

You've posted the unusual electric conditions during a lightning storm and implied they are the general \ average case of Earth's surface. This I think is intentional disinformation. Why did you not post the electric conditions of Earth's surface when there is no special electric weather conditions?

Also, the evidence of a lightning current of 1 amp. flowing continuously says, no.

Electric currents can flow, and there still be charged objects in the vicinity, so the Earth's surface can still be negatively charged.

Oooh, quotes and everything. Do I get a gold star, now?

Yes, you did better, but presenting exception conditions as normal, while ignoring normal conditions that discredit your position isn't principled.

"plz"? "u"?

This isn't Twitter!

ScholasticSpastic wrote:So.... Just big-picturing here, but, if gravity were an electrical phenomenon, then it would be possible to construct objects which did not have an inherent charge and watch them float away. Or, it would be possible to construct anti-gravity vehicles by doing the reverse, and engineering them so that they had a charge equal to Earth's gravity. Why do we not observe any interactions between gravity and electromagnetic fields if gravity is electric?

We cannot do these things, and so I am pretty sure that Earth's gravity is not an electrical field.

hmm, only took about 15~20 replies to get one which makes an honest attempt to counter argue the theory. I was preparing to see this thread burn without even a single base-case counter argument.

Wrt neutral objects attraction to charged objects:
Have you ever held a electrically neutral object near a charged object? What do you see happen?

Wrt to similarly charged objects,
Neutral objects are attracted to charged objects. This is due to a dielectric effect. The same is also true for very slightly similarly charged objects, because within like charged object, there is still plenty of dielectric effect. However if the like charges are strong enough, then objects will repel.
We never see stuff that is repelled from Earth's surface by the electric field of Earth. Therefore electric gravity asserts :
- The dielectric capacity of Earth overwhelms the like-charge repulsion of all small objects near Earth.
- Objects that becomes highly similarly charged to Earth will break any insulation between the Earth and itself before it overwhelms the dielectric attraction to the Earth.
- Highly charged objects that cannot discharge to Earth will 1st overwhelm their own molecular stabilty before they overwhelm Earth's dielectric capacity. i.e. the inter ionic repulsion of a positively charged object will explode an object before it overwhelms the Earth's ability to attract it via dielectric attraction.

This goes for all celestial bodies. Only on small comets and asteroids might it be possible to get electricgravity repulsion for a large object. Of course, electric repulsion from surfaces of celestial bodies for dust and molecules is standard.

electricgravity1, can you tell us more about how the Moon affects tides on Earth?

'The tides go in and the tides go out'.

newolder wrote:Lightning occurs continuously somewhere over the globe. A special condition would be no lightning anywhere. 500kC is nothing to a lightning bolt.

Likewise, mass occurs somewhere in the universe. A special condition of the universe would be no mass anywhere. Therefore why not present the case of solid high density mass throughout all space all the time as normal?

Because its a strawman. I'm interested to see how long you're going to run with it.

Somewhere doesn't mean everywhere all the time. Lightning storms and their electric conditions are much less than one 10,000th the area of Earth's surface. Doesn't it occur to you to consider what the other 99.99% the electric conditions of Earth's surface is like? Or would such consideration be inconvenient to your straw-man, so must be ignored?

Anyway, don't take up your argument with me. You've made a blunder in thinking because I posted an unpopular theory that you can blindly attack the independently evidenced facts that I've referenced. That Earth's surface has net negative charge is in no way controversial, its been tested and measured for over 100 years. Go bother top universities with your ideas that Earth's surface is not net negatively charged. Create a thread here and blog about your progress over the next few years. Link it to this thread. Maybe a mod will put your thread in the pseudo science forum.

and

500kC is over 1000 times greater than a very large lightning bolt. Most bolts are around 15Coulombs, so are less than 10,000 times weaker than the charge of the Earth. So your wrong there too.

LucidFlight wrote:electricgravity1, can you tell us more about how the Moon affects tides on Earth?

The moon's electric gravity pulls on Earth's oceans via electro static attraction.
It's a reasonable analogy to think of the Moon and the Earth as 2 neutral atoms in covalent bond, hence they are bound by their electrostatic attraction to each other.

electricgravity1 wrote:

newolder wrote:Lightning occurs continuously somewhere over the globe. A special condition would be no lightning anywhere. 500kC is nothing to a lightning bolt.

Likewise, mass occurs somewhere in the universe. A special condition of the universe would be no mass anywhere. Therefore why not present the case of solid high density mass throughout all space all the time as normal?

Because its a strawman. I'm interested to see how long you're going to run with it.

Somewhere doesn't mean everywhere all the time. Lightning storms and their electric conditions are much less than one 10,000th the area of Earth's surface. Doesn't it occur to you to consider what the other 99.99% the electric conditions of Earth's surface is like? Or would such consideration be inconvenient to your straw-man, so must be ignored?

Anyway, don't take up your argument with me. You've made a blunder in thinking because I posted an unpopular theory that you can blindly attack the independently evidenced facts that I've referenced. That Earth's surface has net negative charge is in no way controversial, its been tested and measured for over 100 years. Go bother top universities with your ideas that Earth's surface is not net negatively charged. Create a thread here and blog about your progress over the next few years. Link it to this thread. Maybe a mod will put your thread in the pseudo science forum.

and

500kC is over 1000 times greater than a very large lightning bolt. Most bolts are around 15Coulombs, so are less than 10,000 times weaker than the charge of the Earth. So your wrong there too.

Yes, I got this all wrong.
See also: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questi ... ly-charged

electricgravity1 wrote:

LucidFlight wrote:electricgravity1, can you tell us more about how the Moon affects tides on Earth?

The moon's electric gravity pulls on Earth's oceans via electro static attraction.
It's a reasonable analogy to think of the Moon and the Earth as 2 neutral atoms in covalent bond, hence they are bound by their electrostatic attraction to each other.

And what would be the electrostatic relationship of the Earth with the Sun?

LucidFlight wrote:And what would be the electrostatic relationship of the Earth with the Sun?

The same as the Earth and Moon. By reasonable analogy they are like 2 neutral atoms in a covalent electric static bind. Same for most celestial objects in gravitation orbits.

newolder wrote:Yes, I got this all wrong.

But you are right in a much more powerful way : Reason over authority. I have no authority on this forum, all i can do is appeal with reason. You win over nearly all the denizens of RS.

electricgravity, do you think this new understanding of gravity will help NASA? And, if so, in what ways?

TopCat wrote:

electricgravity1 wrote:so I think electro-static is the cause of gravity. What you think?

I think people who notice (or more likely read on the internet) a few facts that have some superficial similarities, and then proceed to invent some rectally extracted fantasy linking them together, should fuck off and get some actual education.

I disagree.

LucidFlight wrote:electricgravity, do you think this new understanding of gravity will help NASA? And, if so, in what ways?

Nothing immediately practical. But certainly in theory it helps a lot. Gravity theory has always been stuck outside the rest of the standard model. An electric gravity model would greatly simplify physics. Theoretical physics has been stuck going down a dead end since Quantum field theory in the 1940s. String theory and GR and its absurdities have just created a great pile of useless maths which, as Weaver likes to say : " is not even wrong ".

General Relativity has just created a pile of useless maths? Are you on fucking drugs?

Waiter, I'll have what he's on.

If the value of big G found on other celestial bodies is the same as Earth, then this strongly discredits electric gravity theory, effectively falsifying it.

Not a Cavendish test but, nevertheless at test for G variation on the Sun gives:

Helioseismology, the analysis of acoustic waves of the sun, has become an interesting area of research. Relevant for gravitation are the constraints on a possible variation of G which reach G ̇/G < 10−12yr−1

arxiv source