Thommo wrote:

newolder wrote:

Light Storm wrote:

newolder wrote: matter in the apparatus so no net matter results. So, yes, please explain how photons create matter only.

Let me google that for you

How does that help? From your (wiki linked) source, the page summarises:

... The most common and well studied case is the one where two photons convert into an electron–positron pair.

and my question remains...

That made me laugh.

Well, you see, a positron has a charge of +1. The plus one means stuff is being added. Ergo, more stuff. Ergo, expansion.

Possibly relevant:

https://hesperia.gsfc.nasa.gov/sftheory/flare.htm

As the magnetic energy is being released, particles, including electrons, protons, and heavy nuclei, are heated and accelerated in the solar atmosphere. The energy released during a flare is typically on the order of 1027 ergs per second. Large flares can emit up to 1032 ergs of energy. This energy is ten million times greater than the energy released from a volcanic explosion. On the other hand, it is less than one-tenth of the total energy emitted by the Sun every second.

I'm not sure how brief periods of a 10% increase in output constitute immeasurable effects that have long term significance, I have to say.

Light Storm wrote:

Sendraks wrote:

Light Storm wrote:.

I stopped there.

You stopped reading after skipping past the paper referenced on the lack of earth expansion.

Cute.

I read his article about what would happen if the earth started expanding at a rate of 1cm/second.

Is that the 'paper' your referring to... or is it in their somewhere with with the world the little prince lives on?

This is the paper in question.

The relevant portion is:

"In conclusion, no statistically significant present expansion rate is detected by our study within the current measurement uncertainty of 0.2 mm yr−1."

Q. E. fucking D.

Light Storm wrote:
The Age of the sea floor shows an uncanny growth pattern above and beyond the amount recycled back into the earth. This is has been shown in detail countless times over the course of this thread. As I said before, the evidence of earth expanding is the earth before you go comparing this to popular mythology.

[citation needed]

Just A Theory wrote:

Light Storm wrote:
The Age of the sea floor shows an uncanny growth pattern above and beyond the amount recycled back into the earth. This is has been shown in detail countless times over the course of this thread. As I said before, the evidence of earth expanding is the earth before you go comparing this to popular mythology.

[citation needed]

Seriously?



Please observe the age of the ocean floor... Red being the newest material to lighter colors being the oldest. With this image, it's very easy to visualize how the landmasses broken apart and have been pushed apart since the time of pangea. 200mya the Atlantic ocean was not a thing. This is an accepted fact.



Please note the age's of the sea floor are the same in the Pacific. You must apply the same rules of observation about winding back the ages of the sea floor when examining Continental drift patterns. Decreasing the earth in size makes the puzzle come together simply and beautifully.



Forcing these landmasses to 'drift' without applying the same rules you would to the Atlantic requires some extremely confusing, complicated and needless to say... controversial magic to happen that simply doesn't make sense.

Light Storm wrote: Decreasing the earth in size makes the puzzle come together simply and beautifully.

So does the accepted theory that they do come together, but with room left around on the planet. This doesn't require any size change. Occam's Razor's a bitch.

aban57 wrote:

Light Storm wrote: Decreasing the earth in size makes the puzzle come together simply and beautifully.

So does the accepted theory that they do come together, but with room left around on the planet. This doesn't require any size change. Occam's Razor's a bitch.

I'll repeat

"Forcing these landmasses to 'drift' without applying the same rules you would to the Atlantic requires some extremely confusing, complicated and needless to say... controversial magic to happen that simply doesn't make sense."

Kind of like the statement you just went with.

Light Storm wrote:

aban57 wrote:

Light Storm wrote: Decreasing the earth in size makes the puzzle come together simply and beautifully.

So does the accepted theory that they do come together, but with room left around on the planet. This doesn't require any size change. Occam's Razor's a bitch.

I'll repeat

"Forcing these landmasses to 'drift' without applying the same rules you would to the Atlantic requires some extremely confusing, complicated and needless to say... controversial magic to happen that simply doesn't make sense."

Kind of like the statement you just went with.

Actually it's totally consistant with the maps you showed before : the more you get away from the lands, the younger the dirt. Definitely no magic involved, or made up "rules".

aban57 wrote:

Light Storm wrote:

aban57 wrote:

Light Storm wrote: Decreasing the earth in size makes the puzzle come together simply and beautifully.

So does the accepted theory that they do come together, but with room left around on the planet. This doesn't require any size change. Occam's Razor's a bitch.

I'll repeat

"Forcing these landmasses to 'drift' without applying the same rules you would to the Atlantic requires some extremely confusing, complicated and needless to say... controversial magic to happen that simply doesn't make sense."

Kind of like the statement you just went with.

Actually it's totally consistant with the maps you showed before : the more you get away from the lands, the younger the dirt. Definitely no magic involved, or made up "rules".

Thank you, glad you agree

Light Storm wrote:

aban57 wrote:

Light Storm wrote:

aban57 wrote:
So does the accepted theory that they do come together, but with room left around on the planet. This doesn't require any size change. Occam's Razor's a bitch.

I'll repeat

"Forcing these landmasses to 'drift' without applying the same rules you would to the Atlantic requires some extremely confusing, complicated and needless to say... controversial magic to happen that simply doesn't make sense."

Kind of like the statement you just went with.

Actually it's totally consistant with the maps you showed before : the more you get away from the lands, the younger the dirt. Definitely no magic involved, or made up "rules".

Thank you, glad you agree

Keep telling yourself that

Every time the pretty colored pictures of the oceans floor ages comes up the term “subduction” gets ignored. Since it is an absolute fact that subduction happens this makes those pretty pictures increasingly funny every time they are trotted out. What does this make, 50 times they, or strikingly similar, pictures have been posted?

One paper cited in an attempt to prop up this silliness even tried to claim subduction was missing from the mechanics, and when I cited the entire paper by providing a link I was accused of plagiarism. Reported to the mods for an FUA violation for it.

That tells me all I need to know about this stupid shit, and those that embrace it. Oddly the fact that the paper in question stood in stark opposition to the claim was never addressed. Subduction. It is a thing.

RS

theropod wrote:Every time the pretty colored pictures of the oceans floor ages comes up the term “subduction” gets ignored. Since it is an absolute fact that subduction happens this makes those pretty pictures increasingly funny every time they are trotted out. What does this make, 50 times they, or strikingly similar, pictures have been posted?

Don't forget that the argument about subduction zones, when they stop being ignored, is that there aren't enough of them or something, which means the earth must be expanding because of all the spreading. Even though no such expansion has ever been measured and no data provided and also they're conveniently ignoring the formation of mountain ranges, deep see trenches and so forth, which are all adequately explained by tectonic movement and the differences between rates of production and subduction.

Also, (to repeat a recently unanswered question), is there an indication of the CP violating mechanism - unknown to current physics - responsible for core matter acquisition, yet, Light Storm?

Light Storm wrote:pictures

None of your pictures show any subduction. Your point is therefore completely invalid as you've only addressed half of reality.

My, my. Is this bollocks still going?

hackenslash wrote:My, my. Is this bollocks still going?

Define going. It actually hasn't gotten anywhere.

SSDD.

hackenslash wrote:My, my. Is this bollocks still going?

Well it's been pretty much dead lately. This is probably just another transient flare-up of monomania.

theropod wrote:Every time the pretty colored pictures of the oceans floor ages comes up the term “subduction” gets ignored. Since it is an absolute fact that subduction happens this makes those pretty pictures increasingly funny every time they are trotted out. What does this make, 50 times they, or strikingly similar, pictures have been posted?

One paper cited in an attempt to prop up this silliness even tried to claim subduction was missing from the mechanics, and when I cited the entire paper by providing a link I was accused of plagiarism. Reported to the mods for an FUA violation for it.

That tells me all I need to know about this stupid shit, and those that embrace it. Oddly the fact that the paper in question stood in stark opposition to the claim was never addressed. Subduction. It is a thing.

RS

In case you missed it, someone asked me my stance on the EE/GE concept.

Light Storm wrote:
My View: The Earth expanded over geological time. Pangea was not a giant island. Pangea was the surface of the earth that has broken apart over time while the earth expanded underneath it. The Pacific Ocean Winds closed above and beyond the amount subducted as you roll the clock backward in time.

Interestingly enough... some of the published papers about the cause continental drift was earth expansion. Later papers... on plate tectonics where pretty much identical in every way. They just left out earth expansion as a mechanism.

Edit: I personally love looking into research on things like what is nick named 'giant slab' which is all about subduction as it could only be created from the process. The inner workings of the planet are of huge interest to me. More because we sooo little about it. We have had craft get into installer space, yet we still can't get a a drill bit through our own skin to take a look inside. Like just everything else living in life, we need to change. Despite shedding millions of cells per day growing, we still find ourselves with a net growth into adult hood.

Light Storm wrote:We have had craft get into installer space...

"Installer space", eh? What's that about? Under the ducting?

Light Storm wrote:In case you missed it, someone asked me my stance on the EE/GE concept.

It's not as if you have come up with anything anyone should pay attention to, other than to deride.