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Re: Experiment to test W=mg

#161  Postby Thommo » Jun 01, 2022 5:14 pm

BlackBart wrote:There we have it, folks! The Grand Plan... written in on a bit of paper in felt-tip.


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Re: Experiment to test W=mg

#162  Postby Spearthrower » Jun 01, 2022 5:43 pm

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Re: Experiment to test W=mg

#163  Postby Chief Engineer » Jun 01, 2022 6:00 pm

I am guessing that because energy and mass are defined equivalencies an assumption is made that with higher temperature, (movement of atoms & Molecules)causes a relativistic increase in mass. The mass would increase rendering W=mg a variable because m is.

Useless to anyone as even at the highest temperature one could practically achieve the increase in mass would be negligible, if not zeroed out by the random movement of the molecules and the collisions that occur in the substance.

No other behavior of matter being heated could contribute to increasing mass. You will need to go back to the dispensary for more inspiration.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg

#164  Postby Yaniv » Jan 13, 2023 9:51 am

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Re: Experiment to test W=mg

#165  Postby THWOTH » Jan 13, 2023 12:18 pm

Gravity is not a force but a description of acceleration. Fail. See me after class.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg

#166  Postby Yaniv » Feb 25, 2023 9:34 am

In my theory the expansion of the earth stretched open the strait of Gibraltar and flooded the Mediterranean basin.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg

#167  Postby Spearthrower » Feb 25, 2023 11:35 am

Now all you need do is establish that the concept of the Earth expanding is credible via evidence, account for the evidence showing its not expanding, and also account for the evidence of how the world's geography actually formed, and your theory will be in a great place!
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg

#168  Postby Spearthrower » Feb 25, 2023 11:39 am




That's you citing yourself twice.

Not really how stuff works, is it?



In my theory the size of the earth is balanced by opposing forces; gravity and pressure. The force of gravity decreases over time and internal pressure pushes the expansion of the earth. Sea levels are determined by (liquid) water volume to surface area ratio. The volume of water increases over time by volcanic gassing (CO2, N2, H2O...). In time, the surface area of earth increases exponentially and volume of water increases at a decelerating rate. At the beginning of the Archean eon, after Theia impacted the earth and blew its atmosphere away, sea levels began to rise and by the end of the Proterozoic eon flooded the entire globe. All the continents but a few tall volcanic mountains were under water. By the Cambrian period the increase in surface area exceeded the rate of water accumulation and sea levels began to drop. Fossils of non-vascular plants are found in the Ordovician, vascular plants in the Silurian and the first forests in the Devonian implying parts of the continents were permanently above water. Had the moon not formed earth's atmosphere would have been as thick as Venus.


Exponentially! Give it a few shakes of a dog's tail and we won't need worry about traveling the great yawning gulf of space to visit other solar systems as we'll already be there. Thirsty, but boldly going where no planetary surface has been before.

People employing the concept of exponentiality while objectively showing they don't understand the concept of exponential growth doesn't exactly engender confidence in brusquely asserted 'theories'.

A theory in science isn't just a nice idea you quite fancy - you realize that?
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg

#169  Postby Yaniv » Feb 25, 2023 3:32 pm

Spearthrower wrote:Now all you need do is establish that the concept of the Earth expanding is credible via evidence

http://vimeo.com/manage/videos/787151252
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg

#170  Postby Spearthrower » Feb 25, 2023 3:51 pm

Yaniv wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:Now all you need do is establish that the concept of the Earth expanding is credible via evidence


http://vimeo.com/manage/videos/787151252


That isn't evidence of the Earth expanding: that's a video of Neal Adams saying that IF x was true, then science would be wrong.

But you'll note that you're replying to me asking you for evidence, and an assertion doesn't amount to evidence, even if it is made by a gifted comic book artist.

Is this genuine on your part? Do you think I should find a video of Neal Adams saying something to be sufficient evidence for me to lend credence to the concept that the Earth is expanding?

Do you think this is how science does proceed? Or how science should proceed?
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#171  Postby Yaniv » Feb 26, 2023 2:39 am

Spearthrower wrote:Now all you need do is establish that the concept of the Earth expanding is credible via evidence, account for the evidence showing its not expanding, and also account for the evidence of how the world's geography actually formed, and your theory will be in a great place!

The shapes and distribution of continents are simpler to explain with expansion than plate tectonics - Occam's razor.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg

#172  Postby Spearthrower » Feb 26, 2023 4:32 am

Yaniv wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:Now all you need do is establish that the concept of the Earth expanding is credible via evidence, account for the evidence showing its not expanding, and also account for the evidence of how the world's geography actually formed, and your theory will be in a great place!


The shapes and distribution of continents are simpler to explain with expansion than plate tectonics - Occam's razor.



You don't seem to be noticing the key word: evidence.

Writing yet another assertion isn't achieving anything. So far, you seem to be suggesting that the only way you have to substantiate your claims are more claims.

Also, your assertion is just outright false. The expansion of the Earth would require all manner of complicated factors to be involved, none of which have been established as true.

Occam's razor is a heuristic rule (not a law) which could be used to estimate the comparative parsimony of competing hypotheses, but could never confer validity on one or the other. And frankly, these are not competing hypotheses when your claim is absent evidence, and there's evidence in spades for plate tectonics.

The most parsimonious doesn't mean 'God' is a satisfactory scientific answer even if it does 'explain all the stuff' because the God claim itself lacks evidence. Insert fairies, or quantum woo, or any other evidence-absent claim. This is why expanding Earth is firmly a pseudoscience.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg

#173  Postby Spearthrower » Feb 26, 2023 4:41 am

Yaniv wrote:Classical physics predict weights (W) should NOT change at increasing temperature (T) in vacuum. Relativistic physics predicts W should INCREASE at increasing T in vacuum. My theory predicts W should DECREASE at increasing T in vacuum and can be found here yaniv-stern.webnode.com. W reduction at increasing T in vacuum disproves conservation of mass and most of the rest of physics. Over the past ten years I contacted thousand of scientists to weigh a heated metal in vacuum and publish the results. I did NOT get the results of the experiment. #Results Required.



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1) Scientists aren't on call to perform experiments the public demands of them.
2) When you need to perform an experiment to validate your claims, not doing the experiment means your claims are not validated. Excuses achieve nothing.
3) I don't believe you contacted 'thousands' of scientists. Did you even contact ONE?
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#174  Postby Spearthrower » Feb 26, 2023 4:58 am

Yaniv wrote:Mashiach/Antichrist/Mahdi to appear on Rosh Hashanah, get through Hanukkah, and end on Purim.



So looking at the date you posted this

Rosh Hashanah was the evening of Monday 6 September 2021 to Wednesday 8 September 2021
Hanukkah was Sunday 29 November until Monday 6 December 2021
Purim was 16-17 March 2022.

Yet no mashiach, antichrist, mahdi appeared, no reports of it, nothing has changed.

So this is an example of a confidently stated, publicly made false prediction, meaning that your talent as a prophet is functionally equivalent to your talent as a scientist.
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#175  Postby Yaniv » Feb 26, 2023 6:26 am

Spearthrower wrote:The expansion of the Earth would require all manner of complicated factors to be involved

Nope. The size of the earth is balanced by opposing forces; weight and pressure.

Spearthrower wrote: I don't believe you contacted 'thousands' of scientists. Did you even contact ONE?

I left digital footprints along the way. Check my online activities.

Spearthrower wrote:Yaniv wrote:
Mashiach/Antichrist/Mahdi to appear on Rosh Hashanah, get through Hanukkah, and end on Purim.
So looking at the date you posted this Rosh Hashanah was the evening of Monday 6 September 2021 to Wednesday 8 September 2021 Hanukkah was Sunday 29 November until Monday 6 December 2021
Purim was 16-17 March 2022. Yet no mashiach, antichrist, mahdi appeared, no reports of it, nothing has changed.

Rosh Hashanah, Hanukkah & Purim arrive every year. I gather I am a few years ahead of you. My God Yahweh promised me a Temple.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg

#176  Postby Cito di Pense » Feb 26, 2023 10:30 am

Yaniv wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:Now all you need do is establish that the concept of the Earth expanding is credible via evidence, account for the evidence showing its not expanding, and also account for the evidence of how the world's geography actually formed, and your theory will be in a great place!

The shapes and distribution of continents are simpler to explain with expansion than plate tectonics - Occam's razor.


Only simpletons make arguments like this. Occam's Razor includes a provision "all else being equal". If you're not equal to the task, you should just fuck off to an easier task.

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Nope. The size of the earth is balanced by opposing forces; weight and pressure.


This is truly moronic. Weight is a force. Pressure is force per unit area. There's no opposition. You can't even manage to reproduce typical expanding-earth nonsense. You've lost all your marbles.

Yaniv wrote:In my theory the expansion of the earth stretched open the strait of Gibraltar and flooded the Mediterranean basin.


Shut up. You don't have a theory. You can't even parrot other people's nonsense accurately.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg

#177  Postby Spearthrower » Feb 26, 2023 11:23 am

Yaniv wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:The expansion of the Earth would require all manner of complicated factors to be involved

Nope. The size of the earth is balanced by opposing forces; weight and pressure.

Spearthrower wrote: I don't believe you contacted 'thousands' of scientists. Did you even contact ONE?

I left digital footprints along the way. Check my online activities.

Spearthrower wrote:Yaniv wrote:
Mashiach/Antichrist/Mahdi to appear on Rosh Hashanah, get through Hanukkah, and end on Purim.
So looking at the date you posted this Rosh Hashanah was the evening of Monday 6 September 2021 to Wednesday 8 September 2021 Hanukkah was Sunday 29 November until Monday 6 December 2021
Purim was 16-17 March 2022. Yet no mashiach, antichrist, mahdi appeared, no reports of it, nothing has changed.

Rosh Hashanah, Hanukkah & Purim arrive every year. I gather I am a few years ahead of you. My God Yahweh promised me a Temple.



Just fapping at people then, gotcha. Adios.
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#178  Postby Yaniv » Feb 26, 2023 11:24 am

Cito di Pense wrote:Nope. The size of the earth is balanced by opposing forces; weight and pressure.


This is truly moronic. Weight is a force. Pressure is force per unit area. There's no opposition. You can't even manage to reproduce typical expanding-earth nonsense.

That's right. They cancel out. Weight pushes inwards and internal pressure pushes outwards. In my theory the expansion of the universe decreases weight and internal pressure pushes expansion of the earth and decreases its surface gravity.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg

#179  Postby Cito di Pense » Feb 26, 2023 12:06 pm

Yaniv wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:Nope. The size of the earth is balanced by opposing forces; weight and pressure.


This is truly moronic. Weight is a force. Pressure is force per unit area. There's no opposition. You can't even manage to reproduce typical expanding-earth nonsense.

That's right. They cancel out. Weight pushes inwards and internal pressure pushes outwards. In my theory the expansion of the universe decreases weight and internal pressure pushes expansion of the earth and decreases its surface gravity.


The feature of gravitation you are contradicting is that expansion of the universe does not affect celestial objects on the scale of planetary-size bodies, or even features the size of galaxies (i.e., gravitationally-bound entities). Your simple assertion to the contrary is insufficient. But thanks for playing. The parameter (Lambda) in the field equations is what we're talking about vis a vis expansion. You're nobody, doing nothing, which is why you're here wasting the time of non-experts who still know a great deal more about it than you do.
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