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How does Dark Matter make a web?

#1  Postby newolder » Jan 25, 2014 10:58 pm

Give it ur best shot or join-in 4 the wibblez...

My parsimonious, epistemological, testable and crazed imaginings...

We are caught in/on/along a web of dark matter. A proposal that a fraction of particulate dark matter has quantum mechanical spin numbers 21/2 and 21/2/2 leads immediately to conformal geometric webs.


To demonstrate:
Take 1 cup of electrons and ½ cup of photons and mix under their mutual gravitational influence.


The product will yield anything from the thinnest graphene-crepe to the roundest, meatiest doughball (sprinkles optional – even in Pussia), ask Boltzmann.


Repeat the above using the invented spin class and, hey prongo! web. :)
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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#2  Postby campermon » Jan 25, 2014 11:07 pm

newolder wrote:
The product will yield anything from the thinnest graphene-crepe to the roundest, meatiest doughball (sprinkles optional – even in Pussia), ask Boltzmann.


Snack based physics eh?

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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#3  Postby newolder » Jan 25, 2014 11:10 pm

^ using that as a citation. :cheers:
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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#4  Postby campermon » Jan 25, 2014 11:16 pm

:lol:

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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#5  Postby newolder » Jan 25, 2014 11:24 pm

I'm prepared to wager a free-ride on a mountain-bike... :thumbup:
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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#6  Postby DavidMcC » Mar 23, 2014 4:22 pm

newolder wrote:Give it ur best shot or join-in 4 the wibblez...

My parsimonious, epistemological, testable and crazed imaginings...

We are caught in/on/along a web of dark matter. A proposal that a fraction of particulate dark matter has quantum mechanical spin numbers 21/2 and 21/2/2 leads immediately to conformal geometric webs.


To demonstrate:
Take 1 cup of electrons and ½ cup of photons and mix under their mutual gravitational influence.


The product will yield anything from the thinnest graphene-crepe to the roundest, meatiest doughball (sprinkles optional – even in Pussia), ask Boltzmann.


Repeat the above using the invented spin class and, hey prongo! web. :)

I don't follow this. How do you know it isn't the other way around - the web of ordinary matter attracting the dark matter into a web, even though there is much more of the latter than the former?
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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#7  Postby newolder » May 19, 2014 5:39 pm

Haven’t forgotten about this, yet…

Having reviewed quantum field theory courses online, e.g. Markus Luty’s youtube lectures (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUdu5s ... 7XrwJqwYFQ
) and especially lecture 7 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UygexIqku4 Particles with spin), and followed by tracking down Philip Schuster and Natalia Toro’s late-2013 work - http://arxiv.org/pdf/1302.3225v2.pdf, it seems the idea of continuous-valued spin is not only ‘not even wrong’ but is more interesting than illness…

To answer DavidMcC… As you note, gravitational attraction is proportional to mass - larger structures dominate and the dark web is much grander that the piddling baryons dragged along its wake.

My ansatz on 'measure problems' this brings to the fore (Schuster & Toro have an 'infinite tower’ issue that they are working upon) may be wrong but how would I know?
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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#8  Postby kennyc » May 19, 2014 6:42 pm

it makes a web with it's spinneret of course:

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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#9  Postby DavidMcC » May 20, 2014 4:11 pm

newolder wrote:...

To answer DavidMcC… As you note, gravitational attraction is proportional to mass - larger structures dominate and the dark web is much grander that the piddling baryons dragged along its wake.
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Not necessarily. Different authors assign greatly different proportions to the dark matter. It is possible that some count dark energy as some kind of dark matter, or vice versa, invoking the matter-energy equivalence. However, that is problematic, because dark energy clearly has a very different effect from dark matter.
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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#10  Postby DavidMcC » May 21, 2014 2:56 pm

BTW, I'm not sure that this thread really belongs in "Pseudoscience", because it implies that the whole idea of dark matter and dark energy is just a "load of baloney". I know there are issues with assigning the dark matter to WHIMPS, and no-one (except me, of course! :coffee: ) has any idea what causes dark energy.
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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#11  Postby newolder » May 22, 2014 4:20 pm

DavidMcC wrote:
newolder wrote:...

To answer DavidMcC… As you note, gravitational attraction is proportional to mass - larger structures dominate and the dark web is much grander that the piddling baryons dragged along its wake.
...

Not necessarily. Different authors assign greatly different proportions to the dark matter. It is possible that some count dark energy as some kind of dark matter, or vice versa, invoking the matter-energy equivalence. However, that is problematic, because dark energy clearly has a very different effect from dark matter.

Of course Modified Newtonian Dynamics theory does away with the requirement of dark matter to account for galactic rotation curves but the idea here is not in that class. :thumbup:
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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#12  Postby newolder » May 22, 2014 4:23 pm

DavidMcC wrote:BTW, I'm not sure that this thread really belongs in "Pseudoscience", because it implies that the whole idea of dark matter and dark energy is just a "load of baloney". I know there are issues with assigning the dark matter to WHIMPS, and no-one (except me, of course! :coffee: ) has any idea what causes dark energy.

Another prediction in the current wibble/work concerns Higgs decay and “missing energy”. Dependent on Higgs-rotton coupling strength, a decay that, for example, produces 2 of the root2/2 (massive and fermion-like) entities would easily account for “missing transverse energy” events as LHC energies increase in future. This would also measure their invariant mass.

Unless someone knows how to measure objects with irrational spin (I have an idea for the root2, boson-like rotton but, again, it may be just crazy), I guess it’ll remain in pseudoscience a while longer yet. :dunno:
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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#13  Postby Space Trucker » May 23, 2014 2:44 pm

Ahhh yes! Dark matter clothes! An old Emperor had a weave of those a while back!

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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#14  Postby DavidMcC » May 23, 2014 4:26 pm

newolder wrote:
DavidMcC wrote:BTW, I'm not sure that this thread really belongs in "Pseudoscience", because it implies that the whole idea of dark matter and dark energy is just a "load of baloney". I know there are issues with assigning the dark matter to WHIMPS, and no-one (except me, of course! :coffee: ) has any idea what causes dark energy.

Another prediction in the current wibble/work concerns Higgs decay and “missing energy”. Dependent on Higgs-rotton coupling strength, a decay that, for example, produces 2 of the root2/2 (massive and fermion-like) entities would easily account for “missing transverse energy” events as LHC energies increase in future. This would also measure their invariant mass.

How do you have root/2 entities? Entities are countable only in integers, which root2/2 is not.
Unless someone knows how to measure objects with irrational spin (I have an idea for the root2, boson-like rotton but, again, it may be just crazy), I guess it’ll remain in pseudoscience a while longer yet. :dunno:

Why should one detail that is not crucial to the concept (which is basically cosmological) be trashed as a result of a dubious extension to particle physics? It seems that what you are consigning to pseudoscience is the WIMPs and MACHOS that attempt (unsuccessfully) to account for dark matter. I have an alternative, as is probably well known on this site.

EDIT: Are you of the view that cosmology MUST be explained in terms of one universe, in splendid isolation? Ie, that our big bang has to be a one-off event, just because we cannot see other BBs?
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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#15  Postby DavidMcC » May 23, 2014 4:41 pm

... In short, the complete denial of dark matter (whatever it is) as the phenomenon behind observed gravitational anomalies is just plain denial of observational science, surely. In short, ity may still be a mystery what it is, but that does not make it pseudoscience, unless you are only claiming that MACHOs and WIMPs are pseudoscience.
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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#16  Postby newolder » May 24, 2014 1:41 pm

DavidMcC wrote:
newolder wrote:
DavidMcC wrote:BTW, I'm not sure that this thread really belongs in "Pseudoscience", because it implies that the whole idea of dark matter and dark energy is just a "load of baloney". I know there are issues with assigning the dark matter to WHIMPS, and no-one (except me, of course! :coffee: ) has any idea what causes dark energy.

Another prediction in the current wibble/work concerns Higgs decay and “missing energy”. Dependent on Higgs-rotton coupling strength, a decay that, for example, produces 2 of the root2/2 (massive and fermion-like) entities would easily account for “missing transverse energy” events as LHC energies increase in future. This would also measure their invariant mass.

How do you have root/2 entities? Entities are countable only in integers, which root2/2 is not. ...


We know the entities of the Standard Model of particle physics have spin 1/2 (fermions) and spin 0, 1 (Higgs and other bosons). The current, "most popular" idea to provide further spin classes is supersymmetry - by swapping spins of bosons with fermions & vice versa the Model is at least twice as large as Standard and accounts for dark matter. (If SUSY is observed, of course. :thumbup: ) The pseudoscientific idea here is to extend spin classes by including some real values (see Andrew Kels' solution with arbitrary spin) from the gamut of continuous valued spins in Schuster & Toro's work. I'm not denying dark matter (that's for MOND-ers) but thinking a route for its study. I posted it in pseudoscience because I have, as yet, found no method to calculate the masses of the rotton class entities as defined in my working notes. The invented spin classes of current interest are [±root2, ±1/root2 = ±root2/2], [±root3, ±root3/3, ±root3/2, ±2root3/3] and 2 pairs of "Golden Ratio" beasts [±(1+ root5)/2, ±|(1 - root5)/2|]. :grin:
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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#17  Postby Space Trucker » May 24, 2014 9:19 pm

DavidMcC wrote:... In short, the complete denial of dark matter (whatever it is) as the phenomenon behind observed gravitational anomalies is just plain denial of observational science, surely. In short, ity may still be a mystery what it is, but that does not make it pseudoscience, unless you are only claiming that MACHOs and WIMPs are pseudoscience.


Density Wave Theory already explains the anomalies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_wave_theory

Dark matter isn't needed, neither are MACHOS or WIMPs. This problem was solved in the 1960s. :coffee:

All this talk about matter that doesn't interact with electromagnetism needs to stop. Its getting ridiculous.
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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#18  Postby DavidMcC » May 25, 2014 4:51 pm

Space Trucker wrote:
DavidMcC wrote:... In short, the complete denial of dark matter (whatever it is) as the phenomenon behind observed gravitational anomalies is just plain denial of observational science, surely. In short, ity may still be a mystery what it is, but that does not make it pseudoscience, unless you are only claiming that MACHOs and WIMPs are pseudoscience.


Density Wave Theory already explains the anomalies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_wave_theory

Dark matter isn't needed, neither are MACHOS or WIMPs. This problem was solved in the 1960s. :coffee:

All this talk about matter that doesn't interact with electromagnetism needs to stop. Its getting ridiculous.

I disagree, Space Trucker. The apparent motion of the spiral arms of a spiral galaxy certainly are density waves, but astronomers are not fooled into thinking that that phenomenon explains why stars do not fly off the edges of a spiral galaxy. If density waves had anything to do with it, the issue would have been settled long ago.

EDIT: ... The orbital period of a star around the galaxy is not assumed to be that of an arm, OK?
There are also other "dark matter"-related issues with galaxy clusters.
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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#19  Postby newolder » Aug 31, 2014 4:43 pm

Following: http://www.rationalskepticism.org/physi ... 00-20.html

Measuring the spin of an object (after John Bell)

Continuous spin field quanta are messing your fruits!

Bell inequalities are observed because these (dark) objects are measured (their spin resolved orthogonally by the experimenter) instead of an ordinary, spin 1/2 electron. The local density of dark matter and its collision cross section are such that a dark interaction occurs, on average, about 1 in 12 observations. The “1 in 12” is from the 2011 Roger Penrose lecture on twistors and quantum locality. (time stamp: 28 minutes)
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Re: How does Dark Matter make a web?

#20  Postby newolder » Apr 18, 2015 9:20 am

Update via a discussion at PhysicsOverflow

It turns out that E.P. Wigner looked into the representation of the “infinite spin” class in 1939 and Weinberg later noted that this class was not used in nature - all known entities hitherto (bosons and fermions) belonging to the other two representation classes.

The discussion document is here: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1306.3876.pdf

So, this may not turn out to be pseudoscience after all, yay me! :)
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