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Lorentz transformation is a fiction, not real

#1  Postby allenliou » Nov 19, 2011 6:03 am

Lorentz transformation is a fiction, not real

To makeup a nice transformation factor doesn’t mean it is real.
For a Lorentz transformation boost in the xy-direction, we have:
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Let us play a game.
Assume that we have a dog’s bone,circle at a distance of 1 meter with the speed of 0.9999c for 10 years, and thus

t=10*365*24*60*60sec=315360000sec
v=0.9999c
c=3x10^8 m/s
therefore:
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After 10 years, do you think a dog’s bone will become a dinosaur’s bone?

Let us play another game.

Define a GULLIVER'S transformation factor as
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Anybody can define a transformation factor, but they are all fiction not real.
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Re: Lorentz transformation is a fiction, not real

#2  Postby chairman bill » Nov 19, 2011 8:18 am

Wow. Brilliant. I'm convinced. A dog's bone will indeed never become a dinosaur bone. Unless a dinosaur ate the dog, digested his bones, then used the constituent elements of that dog's bones to help repair the dinosaur's bones. But otherwise, I think you must be correct. And you've managed to develop an equation to show this? Brilliant. You're brilliant, did you know that? I mean, really, really clever. Much cleverer than people who think a dog's bone could become a dinosaur bone after ten years, They're not really very clever at all. Not like you. You're brilliant. Well done.
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Re: Lorentz transformation is a fiction, not real

#3  Postby 95Theses » Nov 19, 2011 8:29 am

Totally agree, all bollocks this Lorentz transformation stuff.

GPS you say?

thats not a real world, experimental proof of the validity of Lorentz's calculations that I use every day, its fucking witchcraft I tells ya WITCHCRAFT
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Re: Lorentz transformation is a fiction, not real

#4  Postby Paul Almond » Nov 19, 2011 8:59 am

allenliou wrote:Anybody can define a transformation factor, but they are all fiction not real.

Anyone can say anything about reality, but the trick is doing it in a way which is agreed with by observation. This is something that Einstein was very good at doing, and you aren't.

And as has been pointed out, general relativity is used to correct GPS calculations. If this were not done they would be extremely inaccurate. Are you going to disagree with this correction?

So far, all the threads you have made have been stupid and a waste of everyone's time. You are posting in the manner of someone who clearly thinks he is a scientific genius, but isn't.
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Re: Lorentz transformation is a fiction, not real

#5  Postby chairman bill » Nov 19, 2011 9:18 am

Paul Almond wrote:... You are posting in the manner of someone who clearly thinks he is a scientific genius, but isn't.


Or he's just trolling.
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Re: Lorentz transformation is a fiction, not real

#6  Postby allenliou » Nov 19, 2011 9:30 am

Paul Almond wrote:
allenliou wrote:Anybody can define a transformation factor, but they are all fiction not real.

Anyone can say anything about reality, but the trick is doing it in a way which is agreed with by observation. This is something that Einstein was very good at doing, and you aren't.

And as has been pointed out, general relativity is used to correct GPS calculations. If this were not done they would be extremely inaccurate. Are you going to disagree with this correction?

So far, all the threads you have made have been stupid and a waste of everyone's time. You are posting in the manner of someone who clearly thinks he is a scientific genius, but isn't.


Sorry for Einstein lover, I have another post call "Einstein and Emperor’s new cloths, for one century had past, it’s time to wake up", please wait
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Re: Lorentz transformation is a fiction, not real

#7  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 19, 2011 9:31 am

I, for one, would like to focus on the positive aspect of allenliou's posts: he knows which subforum to put them in.
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Re: Lorentz transformation is a fiction, not real

#8  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 19, 2011 9:32 am

allenliou wrote:
I have another post call "Einstein and Emperor’s new cloths, for one century had past, it’s time to wake up", please wait


I shall hold my breath in anticipation of the next back of an envelope falsification of a well established principle in physics from Some Guy On The Internet. :cheers:
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Re: Lorentz transformation is a fiction, not real

#9  Postby Blackadder » Nov 19, 2011 10:19 am

allenliou wrote:...After 10 years, do you think a dog’s bone will become a dinosaur’s bone?

Let us play another game...



Let me guess, is this game called "Spot The Incredibly Stupid Non-Sequitur?" There are degrees of dumb-ass failure demonstrated on this board from time to time and you just passed your degree with honours.
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Re: Lorentz transformation is a fiction, not real

#10  Postby Paul Almond » Nov 19, 2011 11:10 am

allenliou wrote:I have another post call "Einstein and Emperor’s new cloths, for one century had past, it’s time to wake up", please wait

No. I have already seen enough to convince me that you don't have any idea.
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Re: Lorentz transformation is a fiction, not real

#11  Postby chairman bill » Nov 19, 2011 11:21 am

You lot just don't see his brilliance, do you? He's brilliant. And very, very clever. Even more clever than a really clever person, like Einstein. That's how he comes up with such brilliantly clever stuff. 'Cos he's brilliantly clever.
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Re: Lorentz transformation is a fiction, not real

#12  Postby Darwinsbulldog » Nov 20, 2011 1:13 am

In addition to the other observations above, the idea that maths is wrong if it is not real is really idiotic. Of course maths is not real, it is a language for modeling, and models are not real either.
But even if we propose the fatuous idea that models are reality, it does not follow that unreal maths is useless. The Hardy-Weinberg model is total fiction: infinite populations, exact ratios, no genetic drift, no selection. Total bollocks. But useful bollocks, because it is a null hypotheses to which real populations, real allele ratios, real genetic drift and real selection can be compared with.

[Disclaimer: Of course, we are just talking about observational phenomena and there is no need to claim reality, and it is better that we don't because that involves invoking metaphysical [and useless] baggage]. :) The science works as well, or in fact works better, without the metaphysics of claims to reality etc].
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Re: Lorentz transformation is a fiction, not real

#13  Postby allenliou » Nov 20, 2011 1:25 am

Darwinsbulldog wrote:In addition to the other observations above, the idea that maths is wrong if it is not real is really idiotic. Of course maths is not real, it is a language for modeling, and models are not real either.
But even if we propose the fatuous idea that models are reality, it does not follow that unreal maths is useless. The Hardy-Weinberg model is total fiction: infinite populations, exact ratios, no genetic drift, no selection. Total bollocks. But useful bollocks, because it is a null hypotheses to which real populations, real allele ratios, real genetic drift and real selection can be compared with.

[Disclaimer: Of course, we are just talking about observational phenomena and there is no need to claim reality, and it is better that we don't because that involves invoking metaphysical [and useless] baggage]. :) The science works as well, or in fact works better, without the metaphysics of claims to reality etc].


Speaking of math, witkout a calculater, do you kouw what is 1+2=?
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#14  Postby Darwinsbulldog » Nov 20, 2011 1:29 am

Allen Liou wrote:-

Speaking of math, witkout a calculater, do you kouw what is 1+2=?


No, sorry, I am too much of a retard for such complex maths. :dopey:
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Re: Lorentz transformation is a fiction, not real

#15  Postby allenliou » Nov 20, 2011 1:31 am

Darwinsbulldog wrote:Allen Liou wrote:-

Speaking of math, witkout a calculater, do you kouw what is 1+2=?


No, sorry, I am too much of a retard for such complex maths. :dopey:


I guess so.
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Re: Lorentz transformation is a fiction, not real

#16  Postby Matt8819 » Nov 20, 2011 2:27 am

allenliou wrote:

Speaking of math, witkout a calculater, do you kouw what is 1+2=?


It's actually
Speaking of math, without a calculator, do you know what is 1+2=?

Spell-check is your friend. Also, what is the point of such an obviously complex question?
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Re: Lorentz transformation is a fiction, not real

#17  Postby allenliou » Nov 20, 2011 3:49 am

matt8819 wrote:
allenliou wrote:

Speaking of math, witkout a calculater, do you kouw what is 1+2=?


It's actually
Speaking of math, without a calculator, do you know what is 1+2=?

Spell-check is your friend. Also, what is the point of such an obviously complex question?


I agree
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#18  Postby Matt8819 » Nov 20, 2011 4:18 am

allenliou wrote:
matt8819 wrote:
allenliou wrote:

Speaking of math, witkout a calculater, do you kouw what is 1+2=?


It's actually
Speaking of math, without a calculator, do you know what is 1+2=?

Spell-check is your friend. Also, what is the point of such an obviously complex question?


I agree


..okay...
matt8819 wrote:... Also, what is the point of such an obviously complex question?
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Re: Lorentz transformation is a fiction, not real

#19  Postby Darwinsbulldog » Nov 20, 2011 9:21 am

allenliou wrote:
Darwinsbulldog wrote:Allen Liou wrote:-

Speaking of math, witkout a calculater, do you kouw what is 1+2=?


No, sorry, I am too much of a retard for such complex maths. :dopey:


I guess so.


Yeahbuut did u understand my post??
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#20  Postby Darwinsbulldog » Nov 20, 2011 9:26 am

@ OP: Convoluted Logic:-
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