One bang one process.

pfrankinstein · **#4081** by **pfrankinstein** » Feb 01, 2023 4:06 pm

That is you do make the link between stratigraphy, the Earths core and the rings of Jupiter.?

Paul.

What i I mean is "one prosess (type of selection) expressing itself in three simular enviroments.

Id have it *It is not the process that changes but the circumstances that the process finds itself in.

By means of Primal selection. The cosmos. All of it.

Primal selection as a common denominator simular to Natural selection.

Paul.

pfrankinstein · **#4082** by **pfrankinstein** » Feb 01, 2023 5:04 pm

THWOTH wrote:
pfrankinstein wrote:
THWOTH wrote:Don't think there's a lot of sedimentary rock around Jupiter.

Primal selection == Teleology. Prove me wrong Paul.

Primal selection is what physics takes many calculations to explain and what nature expresses and answers in real life.

Paul.

OK. That's a proposition, so support it. In the meantime prove that Primal Selection is not Teleology.

My method is to treat the BB as a sample. As merely a type of phenominon , another way Is by imaginive comparison.

The instruction for the oak tree is held within the acorn. Not my philosophy but an anteresting thought nonetheless.

The point I make is "this universe is of a type" . It is that Universe that I explain.

?...?........

Much uniformity in the cosmos. How shall we explain it; "many many types of "selection to explain the reasone why and result for inorganic interaction.?

Spiral galaxy, proto planetary disc, both wheels within wheel examples. Test ;By means of " primal selection both.

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pfrankinstein · **#4083** by **pfrankinstein** » Feb 01, 2023 5:20 pm

BWE wrote:
TopCat wrote:Why are people engaging with this thread? Genuine question. How can anyone at all not have hundreds of things better to do than waste their time on this?

I drop in occasionally to see if Paul ever becomes more coherent, more interested in actual discourse, but every time I'm disappointed.

Honestly, why?

It has a decent ten minute window of curiosity

Thankyou for looking in from time to time.

This crazy bloke on the internet reakons he has chart showing the movement of "selection from bang to now.

He wants to define Evolution as a process. You tell em.

Paul.

pfrankinstein · **#4084** by **pfrankinstein** » Feb 01, 2023 5:25 pm

Human selection as a brand new phenominon. Imagine that.

In my face, by means of primal, natural, and human selection.

Paul.

pfrankinstein · **#4085** by **pfrankinstein** » Feb 01, 2023 5:35 pm

Have a go at answering a simple question please Do snowflakes replicate? Easy peasy for an intellect like yours.

Hardly intellectual me, psudoscience. Misfit random mutation. Of no big shakes.

Paul.

pfrankinstein · **#4086** by **pfrankinstein** » Feb 01, 2023 7:06 pm

THWOTH wrote:
pfrankinstein wrote:Cambridge Digital Library

Darwin began on page 5, but quickly crossed through the short passage he had written. He turned over the page and replaced it with a new page 5. However, that new start occasioned a historic change and crystallisation of Darwin's scientific language. For, in the first paragraph on p. 5, he used the circumlocution "means of selection," which he then extended to the fairly long phrase "natural" means of selection. But on the new page 5, he began a new section with a new heading, and as far as is known, it was at this moment that Darwin coined a new scientific term: "natural selection."

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A monumental moment would be to say something intelligent about "all" species and have it make sense for all species alive today, including those from the past, dinosaurs, and those critters yet to be discovered.

I don't think Darwin is a member of this forum, so trolling him isn't going to work. Just thought I'd point that out.

Did Charles Darwin have a moment when he coined the " phrase.

With words, labels and inovation he articulated Ns.

Without any human manipulation NS. With human manipulation by means of human selective breeding.

updateWith what is known about science today by experiance ; human selection before artificial selection.

Paul.

pfrankinstein · **#4087** by **pfrankinstein** » Feb 01, 2023 8:02 pm

Is NS a force?

Is NS a constant force.

What is "primal selection ?

Is primal selection a constant force?

Is primal selection a common denominator factor?

Checks the cosmos at large. Tides, the position of stars, nebula , Same as yesterday. Phafomable how so?

Stability. A Constant Stable enough to be reasoned and calculated.

Paul.

pfrankinstein · **#4088** by **pfrankinstein** » Feb 01, 2023 8:26 pm

BWE wrote:
pfrankinstein wrote:
BWE wrote:Yeah. I should have said it had because it eventually reaches resolution for most people.

Natural selection, Primal selection, which is most easily proven to be a real actual phenominon,?

Neither. They are models to explain what we see.

By reason , I'd have it that protoplanary discs exhibit the mechansm of "evolution.

A snapshot simulation clearly shows "descent" as in "down through time, modification by interaction, the resulting altered state rememberd and stored in the material itself. ; and then the next interaction; and so on "stratigrophy and solar systems.

The idea of " Primal selection" sir. A whimsy?

That is you do make the link between stratigraphy, the Earths core and the rings of Jupiter.?

Paul.

Is there a common denominator to explain all three examples?

Just joining the dots together this end. Seemingly unrelated phenominon related and all that. Investigate.

That can't be related to that. The Wolf-the king Charles spanial. Chimpanzees. bah. The cosmos at large and biology.

A disconnect. Not part of the same system. The potential of the later not evident in the former.

Paul.

romansh · **#4089** by **romansh** » Feb 01, 2023 8:58 pm

pfrankinstein wrote:
Hardly intellectual me, psudoscience. Misfit random mutation. Of no big shakes.

So is that a yes or a no?

pfrankinstein · **#4090** by **pfrankinstein** » Feb 01, 2023 9:10 pm

romansh wrote:
pfrankinstein wrote:
Hardly intellectual me, psudoscience. Misfit random mutation. Of no big shakes.

So is that a yes or a no?

Can natue be understood and manipulated.

Is that your question?

Paul.

romansh · **#4091** by **romansh** » Feb 01, 2023 9:43 pm

Yes, yes and no
Do snowflakes replicate?

BWE · **#4092** by **BWE** » Feb 02, 2023 1:50 am

pfrankinstein wrote:
BWE wrote:
pfrankinstein wrote:
BWE wrote:Yeah. I should have said it had because it eventually reaches resolution for most people.

Natural selection, Primal selection, which is most easily proven to be a real actual phenominon,?

Neither. They are models to explain what we see.

By reason , I'd have it that protoplanary discs exhibit the mechansm of "evolution.

A snapshot simulation clearly shows "descent" as in "down through time, modification by interaction, the resulting altered state rememberd and stored in the material itself. ; and then the next interaction; and so on "stratigrophy and solar systems.

The idea of " Primal selection" sir. A whimsy?

That is you do make the link between stratigraphy, the Earths core and the rings of Jupiter.?

Paul.

Is there a common denominator to explain all three examples?

Just joining the dots together this end. Seemingly unrelated phenominon related and all that. Investigate.

That can't be related to that. The Wolf-the king Charles spanial. Chimpanzees. bah. The cosmos at large and biology.

A disconnect. Not part of the same system. The potential of the later not evident in the former.

Paul.

Models aren't reality. Reality just is. Models explain and make predictions about what we encounter among the reality that just is. So it's not like there is a "true model" because that would be reality which just is and not a model. You have a simple preference for terms with some sort of hangup relating to ones you prefer but have offered no reason to use your terms. As to whether they are more real or more true, no. They are models. What do they predict and what do they allow me to do that I can't with the other models.

pfrankinstein · **#4093** by **pfrankinstein** » Feb 03, 2023 2:18 pm

BWE Models aren't reality. Reality just is. Models explain and make predictions about what we encounter among the reality that just is. So it's not like there is a "true model" because that would be reality which just is and not a model. You have a simple preference for terms with some sort of hangup relating to ones you prefer but have offered no reason to use your terms. As to whether they are more real or more true, no. They are models. What do they predict and what do they allow me to do that I can't with the other models.
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I use the BB and the explanation of its timeline as a standard model.

By regressing the biological process back to BB there is a need to define meanings.

Reggresion both in word and meaning.

"Descent with modification by means of Primal selection.

Simply descent as in; down through time, modification, a particle may become modified in its journey , the nature of the modification *selected by the culmination of all prevailing forces, circumstances and type of inorganic materials. Blah.

In this way you can understand that our solar system really did Evolve, in the real sense and meaning.
Absolutely, by descent with modification and by means of Primal selection.

Beyond contemplation mine?

Reliant on time every biological anscestor . Descending down throuth time before life emerged.

Paul.

pfrankinstein · **#4094** by **pfrankinstein** » Feb 03, 2023 3:15 pm

A disconnect. Not part of the same system.

The potential of the later not evident in the former.

The potential for biological evolution is not evident in Primordial evolution.

As if by magic out of the blue the biological process. Shame.

Paul.

romansh · **#4095** by **romansh** » Feb 03, 2023 3:47 pm

No answer
Shame

Do snowflakes replicate?

BWE · **#4096** by **BWE** » Feb 03, 2023 3:50 pm

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour

pfrankinstein · **#4097** by **pfrankinstein** » Feb 03, 2023 3:55 pm

Domino reliance.Stability.

The question of striving.? Overlaid...

Primal selection always a consideration for NS.

Speciation . Primal selection and NS combine. By means of.... Integral part.?

Paul.

pfrankinstein · **#4098** by **pfrankinstein** » Feb 03, 2023 3:56 pm

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BWE wrote:To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour

pfrankinstein · **#4099** by **pfrankinstein** » Feb 03, 2023 5:41 pm

romansh wrote:No answer
Shame

Do snowflakes replicate?

I'm all out striving for the answers.

Paul.

romansh · **#4100** by **romansh** » Feb 03, 2023 5:46 pm

BWE wrote:To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour

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